Episode 39 • Bugs • Formicophilia

[00:00:01] This is Kinks and Cocktails, a podcast where we explore all things kink and all things drink. Kinks and Cocktails contains explicit content. Listener discretion is advised. Sup baby? How you doing? How you doing? I'm doing fine. Never thought I'd be researching

[00:00:29] porn about bugs for work, but here we are. Bug porn. You know. Welcome to the next episode of Kinks and Cocktails with Bug Porn. Oh god. I should have said that with an English accent. Right. So how are you, Eve? Oh, I'm alright, govna. Hello, govna. Hello, govna. No, I'm doing

[00:00:52] great. I'm doing really great. So I accomplished a major feat this week. Uh-huh. So as you know, I've DJed on Groove Cruise a couple times. Yes. And both times I went to Groove Cruise, my suitcases sat on the floor in my bedroom being like a storage area. Oh yeah. So it was just, you know, several piles of suitcase and clothes and random rave gear. Yep. Well, I cleaned up

[00:01:19] all that shit. Good job. I am like so much clearer. Yeah. Right now. And I found a bunch of cool shit I forgot I had. So, you know. I think everybody does that. They just leave their suitcase until they get to it. Until they get to it. Yeah. I mean, there's so many trinkets in there from, you know, people giving away candy. Yeah. Whatever, like they do at festivals and all that jazz. Did you have fun? I did. I had fun cleaning. I had fun on Groove Cruise too, though. Oh my god.

[00:01:48] I didn't go on Groove Cruise, but I did celebrate for 20. Nice. Yeah. Which I never do. Yeah. I got high as fuck. Um, I watched stand up and then I watched Beavis and Butthead. Oh yeah. You told me about that. And then I slept for like 12 hours. Dude, I cannot smoke weed. No, I drank a THC seltzer. Oh, you did? And so usually when I do, which is rare, I only drink like half of it. Yeah. I drank the

[00:02:15] entire thing and it was 10 milligrams. Yeah. I had a THC beverage after it became legal. And I was like, that was a mistake. 10 milligrams. Danny came over to me and like, I was like just laughing my ass off at Beavis and Butthead. I'm like, Danny, there's three of you. And then he went and go gamed. Oh my god. And I sent him a voice message telling him how much I loved him. Oh my god. That's fucking adorable. From 20 feet away on the couch. Wow. You and I should drink

[00:02:43] half a tea. You know what? We could split one together and see what happens. Oh god. That would be so ridiculous. Next Fort Funny, we'll do that. Or maybe for Patreon. Yeah, for Patreon. Yeah, let's do it this week. Oh my gosh. Oh, speaking of which. Yeah. When you were on your way over here, I got a Snapchat from my brother-in-law, Danny's brother. Do you know what happened? And I'm sure it's good. Whatever it is, if you start a story like that. Danny's dad and his dad

[00:03:12] accidentally at the family party today ate a gummy. Whoops. How many milligrams? That's the question. I don't know. Oh no. I was like, please keep me updated. Please, brother-in-law, keep sending me photos and snaps. Like this just happened. Yeah, today. Yes. And like, so I did get updates. Dad was laughing a lot. Oh my god. Yes. And then our nephew had to drive him

[00:03:41] home. Oh my god. It was just so funny though. Wow. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I can't wait for the play-by-play on that. Right? Yeah, see more and just. Yeah. Dude, tea scene like is just, it's, it's so crazy now because it's all like synthetic and manufactured and they just keep making it stronger and stronger. I just laugh my ass off and then I sleep for 12 hours. Oh yeah,

[00:04:08] it's great to go to sleep. Yeah. So I will, you know, on the occasion, drink one of those before I need to go to sleep. Then I'll proceed to laugh my ass off. Yeah. Have I told you the story about professional champion person? No. Okay. Okay. So how I discovered that I could have these particular THC drinks because no THC does well. Yeah. I am, I don't like it. Not my thing. Right. So at Quick Trip, that's a local convenience store, gas station type of place. Very popular in Minnesota.

[00:04:37] Yep. Great service. Awesome stuff. Yes. They have great Bosco sticks, by the way. They also have great mini tacos and I can never pass them up. All right. Anyways. Anyways. Yes. So, so I had a hankering for root beer. I never drink sodas. I haven't since I was 18. Doctor told me, Hey, like I got a UTI just for whatever reason. Yeah. And they're like, well, you could stop drinking soda. So I just quit drinking soda completely. So, um, so anyways, I'm in the soda section,

[00:05:07] I thought, and I see root beer. I'm like, Oh, perfect. I grab a good root beer. Yeah. And, but it was kite, which I'd never seen. I was like, Oh, I'll try a new flavor or a new brand. Never heard of that. Okay. It's new because they're THC. Oh God. Oh no. And I did not know. I drink all four of them. Oh God. Yes. Because I was like, these are so good. Well, I didn't realize it's because they had THC in them and they were 10 milligrams a piece. So, so Mike is like,

[00:05:35] are you, are you okay? I was like, yeah, whatever. I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm a professional champion person. And I said it just like that. He almost fell on the floor laughing. I was like, yup. Professional champion person. I was like, let's tell our friends about this. So then it proceeded to write like a long ass paragraph to fucking like Jen and Chris and Colin and Ashley

[00:06:00] about professional champion person. This reminds me of that there was a news article about, uh, an old lady who bought white claws on the way to work every day thinking it was an energy drink. Yes. I've heard of this. That's basically what happened to me. Great way to start your day. Yeah. I was tripping balls by the end. I, you know, I was like, well, I guess we're in it. We're in it. I'm a professional champion person. I can do anything.

[00:06:28] Speaking of a professional champion person last night, we went out to the bar and out of nowhere, I was like, I want to take a nap. And so I went out to our friend's car and I took a nap for 30 minutes and then went back to the bar and continued partying. Awesome. That is the best. I did that once. I was like, you know what? I'm tired. Yeah. I need to go take a nap. I have to DJ in an hour.

[00:06:52] Yeah. We need, we're millennials. We can take a nap. Yeah. I'm 45. I'm like, I need a nap or I'm not going to be able to do anything else today. Take a nap. Bright as rain. Good to go. All right. I love that. I love that you did that. So I did want to give a quick shout out to Jean. Yeah. So Danny and I were at Costco the other week and we saw him just randomly and he was just

[00:07:17] like, Katie, I loved your latest episode. I was like, oh my God. Hi. Thank you. So shout out to Jean. Yes. Jean loves us. We need to make him a, like a personal shirt or something. We should. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So subject, what are we talking about today? Formicophilia. I say that right? Yep. Okay, good. Bug fetishes and kinks. Why did you pick this Eve? Why not? I hate it. I hate it.

[00:07:47] Well, I mean, we went from handcuffs, you know, got to change it up, bring it back to the weird shit. Oh God. Yeah. So for everybody wondering, it's when someone gets turned on from bugs crawling over them and or biting them sometimes on the genitals. Yikes. Well, great timing for spring. Oh yes. Perfect. Yes. All the bugs are starting to come out. When I was doing research for this,

[00:08:14] I kept noticing like in my laundry room and the basement, like all these like bugs and like, oh God, why? See, I don't have a problem with bugs. Like I'm not a person that's scared of spiders and stuff like that. Like they eat the bugs that suck. I know. I don't like them, but Danny's like, just leave them. They're going to eat the other bugs. I'm like, I know,

[00:08:34] I know, but it's the circle of life. So yeah, Danny and I got home the other night and on his backpack, there's a spider crawling on it. And I'm like, no, why does it keep finding me? I had a pet tarantula when I was in high school. Yeah. Seriously? I seriously did. Yeah. So Kara, who was a co-host a couple of times, she has pets, uh, jumping spiders.

[00:09:04] Interesting. Uh huh. I mean, she's breeding them. Interesting. And selling them. Yeah. We should go check that out. It's cool. It's cool. That is cool. My tarantula. Okay. So first of all, I don't know if anybody has had a pet tarantula before. No, but those motherfuckers are stronger than they would appear. Really? Yeah. So I had the cage with like this screen on top. It's screwed in. Fucker pushed the thing open and got out and never saw it again. Oh my God. I know. I was like,

[00:09:33] how the fuck did that motherfucker do that? Maybe it's just living its best life. It is. I mean, it was the buffest spider in the whole world and it got out and now it's going to go, you know, breed super freaky strength spiders somewhere. I mean, this was like fucking 23. Oh, hold on a minute. Anyway, it was like three years ago. But it's spring now. Yes. I've been feeling so much better.

[00:09:58] Oh, me too. After I cleaned my house. We've been like depressed early lately. And now that it's like spring has sprung, as you said, I've been feeling so much better. So much better. Yep. Yes. All right. Should we go over a drink pairing? Yeah, let's do it. So we did a simple vodka soda as we do. Because we love that. We're basic bitches like that. It just works. But with our butt plug ice

[00:10:24] cubes. Yes. And gummy worms. Yes, absolutely. Get a little flavor. Simple. So what about the snark pairing? I'm not excited for this, Eve. Oh, I am. I'm so excited. It was my idea, but I don't like it. Well, you're going to like it after you. Okay. Okay. Let's tell the class. I'm going to tell the

[00:10:48] story. So this has been a while ago, but myself, Nikita, and a whole bunch of our other friends went to the Science Museum in St. Paul. Shout out to Realtor Nikita. We love you. Go check him out for Minnesota. Yeah. Oh, God. Deanna's calling me. Oh, speaking of that, put her on the microphone. Hey, Deanna, we're recording right now. You're live on air. Yeah. What are you wearing?

[00:11:13] Oh, God. A raccoon drinking coffee. Oh. You're wearing a raccoon and coffee? That doesn't make any sense. We're about to eat crickets live on air. Uh-huh. Remember when I got the crickets at the Science Museum and Nikita and I ate them? I literally, Eve ate a cricket at the Science Museum. Yes. We did the thing where we wrapped arms and took sips like a, like a wine glass. Am I really on air? I'm really on air. Yeah. Yes. You are on air. We are recording right now.

[00:11:42] I hate my voice. I hate my voice. Goodbye. Your voice. Bye. Perfect timing. Oh, so great. All right. Okay. So let's do the crickets. Yep. So anyways, yeah. So we, we did, well, I got to finish this little bit of the story. It's one sentence. So anyways, we've got extras because Nikita's like, should we take them home and crunch them up and snort them? I don't know. I was like, fuck it. Let's go. When it, you know, try everything once. Did you do it? No, we forgot all about them and never did it. I'm not suggesting we do that today.

[00:12:11] No, we're not starting crickets. No, absolutely not. No. Okay. So what do we have here? Okay. So here's our snack pairing. We have sour cream and onion crickets. Okay. Bacon and cheese crickets, salt and vinegar crickets. Oh, I'm doing those ones. Perfect. Well, there's enough for us to share. So, um, and then we've got barbecue larva, worm larva. Nope. I should, I just eat the whole thing in one go? I look at it. Look at

[00:12:39] it. I eat a lot of weird shit. Oh, I'm looking. I eat a lot of weird shit, but for some reason, and I know this is all protein. Oh yeah. I told Daniel, I'll save some for him cause he's on his protein diet. I'm not going to tell you what they taste like, but you're going to love them. I promise you. You go first. I'm going to video you. I have not had the worms yet, so I'm going to try that first. Okay. Okay. Doing the worms. What flavor are they? Do it. Do it.

[00:13:04] She's, Tina's trying to call me too. Stop it. Okay. So, um, let's see. What flavor? This is barbecue. Barbecue. Okay. Barbecue larva. Barbecue. Oh God. Oh shit. Is this going to open easy? Oh yeah. There we go. Bam. I did it. I'm doing it. We should have opened these ahead of time. Oh God. Okay. Ready? Yep. Okay. Go for it. I'm not going to dump the whole thing. You're going to do the whole thing in your, oh my God, Eve. She's dumping the entire thing into her mouth. All of them.

[00:13:33] Okay. Those are delicious. Right? Okay. All right. I'm not scared anymore. I'm going to try it. Okay. Those are the things that taste like barbecue pork rice. All right. I'm going to try it. I'm scared. That was really good. That's delicious. I'm, I'm kind of scared, but I'm also not scared because I know I'll probably like it. I think you're going to like it. Okay. All right. So I'm doing the salt and vinegar crickets. Yeah. Just hand me one

[00:14:01] of those too. Hold on. I can probably take a video of you. All right. Ready? Let's see. Here. You want one? Yes. Hand me one. Let me set this video first. Okay. Okay. Here you go. Awesome. I don't have to do it all. Um, you got to leave some for Danny though. True. So just take a few. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Ready? Oh my God. That's so good. Okay. I like them. See? Okay. Delicious. They're actually good. So good. Like crunchy and like, that's like a chip.

[00:14:30] Yeah, exactly. Okay. It's like light and airy. I'm not scared anymore. Okay. Now we've got sour cream and onion. Okay. Are we going to do more? Yeah. Let's try every flavor. Okay. We got time. It's fine. Sour cream and onion. Okay. Okay. And then here, why don't you open the bacon and cheese while I'm using it? Bacon and cheese crickets. Yes. Oh my God. This one sounds weird. I like, okay. I'm a sucker for salt and vinegar. Dude, that was so good.

[00:14:57] I love that. Okay. Shout out to Nikita for having us fucking try this at the science museum. Um, but he didn't. No, it was a science museum initially. Did he? Yeah. Okay. He did. He's like, let's eat them. Okay. I mean, it was kind of both of us. We were trying to get everybody to do it. All right. There's a lot of packaging ASMR. I know. All right. Do it. So here, hold on. Here's the sour cream and onion for you. One for me. Okay. Ready?

[00:15:31] That's not as good, but it tastes good. It's just sour cream and onion. It doesn't really taste like anything. It's just kind of bland. Yeah. Okay. All right. All right. Last but not least, what are we, what was it? Bacon and cheese or something? I don't want to do this one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I want to do it. I don't want to. It's not in the box. Here we go. Perfect. Sweet. Here. All right. Sorry, everyone. She was trying to hand me an empty box. I was like, you want me to eat? There's so many boxes with crickets at our recording table right now. It's ridiculous. Katie, question for you. What? You were handing me your

[00:16:00] box? Were you expecting me to eat your box? Maybe. Okay. Here's one. All right. I'll do one. Okay. Here we go. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Ooh. Dude, the salt and vinegar ones. Those are the best. Hands down the best. Those are so good. I would eat a whole damn giant chip bag of those. So good. Delicious. Okay. Oh my goodness. We did it. We did it. Did the damn thing.

[00:16:30] Your did it. All right. Funfetti? Yeah. Let's do it. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. So you know how there's a butterfly house at the Minnesota State Fair? I've been in there many times. It's super cool. Me too. So for those of you who don't know, it's just like a free range like butterfly house. You can walk in, hang out with butterflies or just flying around. They

[00:16:55] can land on you. You can hold them. It's cute and fun. So at the London Zoo, there's a similar concept, but with spiders. It's an open spider room. I've been there. I remember that. You have? You lived in? I lived in London for a year. Yes. Oh my God. Yeah. How was it? So we just walk around and there's spiders and webs everywhere. They're just doing their thing.

[00:17:20] It's very goth. It's very cool. But it's like nature-y. Yeah. But it's spiders. It's cute though. I saw videos. Yeah. It's adorable. I mean like not so much the space is goth, but like the behavior and the spiders and all that stuff. It's like a goth thing to do. I love it. Yeah. It was super fun. That's all I had for Funfetti. Oh really? I've got a lot. Go for it. All right. Let's see. So let's see. Which one do I want to do first?

[00:17:50] Okay. Oh boy. Yeah. Let me get to the bottom of this list because there was a really good one. Okay. So internal culture is what gave it visibility. So like many niche interests, online forums and communities made it easier for people to realize, oh, I'm not the only one with this oddly specific thought. The internet always brings everyone together. Exactly.

[00:18:19] So here's, I actually, you know what? I'll say this because you may talk about this one in psychology. But it's essentially, it's less about the bugs and more about the psychology of it and what it does to you. So I'll leave that for you. Yep. Yes. So the, it's extremely niche. So even within the kink communities, so this is silly. It is. Yeah. Yeah. So it's not mainstream fetish by any stretch. Everybody's, most people that you know are worried about

[00:18:46] bugs. Right? Yep. So even open-minded spaces, it's more of like a curiosity than a common interest. Yep. So yeah. Just some fun. They're not really fun facts. Those are more like a lame facts, but whatever. They're fun for me. Yeah. They're fun for me. Yeah. So yeah. So let's maybe jump into some history. We spent a lot of time on the snack pairing. So. You did. Yeah.

[00:19:10] Take it away. Yes. Let's go. Okay. Oh boy. I am so stoked to talk about this. I'm scared. Yas. I mean, it's so funny how doing all this research every single week, it, these things go back so far and you just never know. This is like, you have no idea. Usually it takes me a couple weeks to do notes. Yeah. I did this one within like a few days. Yeah. And do you know why Eve? Why is that? Because I wanted to get it over with because I hate this subject. Oh,

[00:19:39] I know. You were texting me the whole week like, ew, it's creepy crawly. I hate this. Meanwhile, I'm like, hee hee hee hee hee. I was like hitting the heebie jeebies. I'm like, I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. There's a couple things in the history that probably would be fun for you then. I was like doing like research notes on the couch while Danny is watching his show. Yeah. And like, I literally gagged a few times. And Danny's like, are you okay? Like, no.

[00:20:05] Oh my God. I was like, fuck you. Fuck you, Eve. God damn it. Yes. Fuck me. Fuck me. Okay. So. Okay, go. So yeah. So, so in ancient civilizations, but bugs often represented gods or omens or like a mild panic type of thing. So we're talking like ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome, that timeframe. Yeah. So before anything remotely resembled a fetish, bugs were either sacred or

[00:20:32] symbolic. They were absolutely not messed with, which if you think about is probably where a lot of the fear for spiders and various other bugs came from because it is deep rooted in us, but for a different, slightly different reason. So in ancient Egypt, this scarab beetle was literally divine, which, you know, we, we've hear about scarabs all the time. You're familiar with that, right? No. Scarabs. Oh yeah. It's a type of bug. They, it's like a beetle. You'll have, if you look it up,

[00:21:00] you'll, I'm sure you'll. Is that from the movie? Um, yeah, there were scarabs in a couple of like the mummy movies and stuff like that. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yep. Exactly. So they've been associated with rebirth and the sun God. So someone somewhere was looking at a beetle, like this represents eternal life, right? Completely opposite than what we think today. So meanwhile, somebody else is like,

[00:21:26] Hey, if it crawls, I don't trust it. Yeah. Right. So it's just got that interesting dichotomy. So it shows up in mythology, poetry, metaphors of decay, transformation, all those types of things. So you think of like, um, like, um, what is it? Like maggots or whatever on a dead body. It's transformed. I know it's very gross to think about, but it's transforming that back to the earth, a dead body essentially. So, um, so they trigger strong emotion and always have. So fascination,

[00:21:56] fear, disgust, curiosity. So from there we move into the medieval era. Okay. So this gets fun, real fun. So it's like about dirt, disease, zero romanticization. Real fun. Real fun. Yeah. Bugs get a bad rap throughout history. So in this era, it was like, what if everything had bugs in it? Yeah. Put that in your mind. No, thanks.

[00:22:23] So then, so then didn't, that didn't fix the problem, right? So insects became strongly associated with filth, the plague decay, right? Which if you think about nowadays, that's, that's what bugs do. They break things down. Some of them, other bugs do other things, but it's a part of our ecosystem. It's a circle of life. God. So, so yeah, it's, uh, so fleas, lice, and other parasites were just

[00:22:51] part of life. I know we're getting gross. From what I said earlier, Danny was like, you signed up for this. I'm like, I know, I know, I know. Do you need a puke bucket? No, I'm good. I'm good. I'll be in you. I'm going to take another drink. Okay. Perfect. Yes. Clink and drink. Clink and drink. So part of, they're just part of life, right? It's not optional. It's not aesthetic, right? So, but here's the weirdest historical twist. So medieval art and writing occasionally

[00:23:19] included fleas in romantic or intimate context. It's especially in poetry. I want to take my headphones off right now and just let you do this. I'll just do this solo. So. Cute go. Okay. Yep. Fleas. Fleas of all things. I gotta do it. I gotta do it. Okay. So, so there's poems where a flea biting two people is used as a metaphor for connection. Like this flea has bitten both of us. Therefore we're joined. Okay. That's kind of cute.

[00:23:47] Right. You know, maybe pick a prettier bug, but whatever, you know, beggars can't be choosers. So, so they enter proximity with the body, intimacy, shared physical experiences. So we're getting down to some of the, you know, the initial basis of this. So still definitely not a kink, a fetish, but definitely a strange bridge to get there. That's kind of adorable. Yeah. Right. So nothing like cute little flea, right? Like wearing a, like, you know, Mr. Rogers sweater or something.

[00:24:15] And a little bonnet. Okay. So Renaissance. Renaissance. When fleas became filthy, regrettably. Oh God. Oh, I'm sorry. Flirty. Sorry. What? Yes. Okay. Flirty. Okay. So this is like the 1500s to 1600s. So the Renaissance basically really said, what if we made this poetic? Why? Yeah. It's like, you know, what are we doing here? But I mean, that's clean yourself. Yes, exactly.

[00:24:45] Exactly. So enter writers who decided insects could be romantic metaphors. So notably poems like The Flea by John Donne use a flea biting two lovers as a justification for intimacy. Wow. So it's like they got bit by the love bug. The love bug. The love bug. Exactly. Okay. Cute. So the logic. Is that where that came from? You know, I don't know. I didn't look that up. I just, I just, yeah. So probably, you're probably

[00:25:12] right. Wow. Okay. Keep going. Yeah. So, so anyway, so the logic was essentially like the flea mixed our blood. So what's the big deal? Like we're together. We're, we're joined now. Right. Yep. So it's like mosquitoes kind of do that sometimes too. Yeah. Yeah. It's like people always have like the mosquitoes love my blood. Yes. Sort of thing. Yeah. If you don't get bitten by mosquitoes, I don't trust you. Oh no. Just kidding. Lucky you. Right. So, so it's a wild leap, right? So what

[00:25:41] matters historically in this part is that intellectuals started reframing gross things as meaningful. So boundaries between disgust and fascination started to blur. The human body became a subject of curiosity and metaphor with these, with these actions. So, so essentially the bug has united us if you want to look at it that way. So I guess, yeah. So, uh, one thing that I thought

[00:26:08] was an interesting way to look at that too is, is it's, it's trying, I'm trying something bold and hoping you don't leave. Oh damn. Right. Romantic. Yeah. So, so now the 18th to the 19th century science makes bugs more interesting. Okay. So, you know, I don't, did you ever have a bug collection in your little collect bugs? No, but now I know a bunch of like goth nature girly friends. Yeah. Who

[00:26:37] like find like unalived bugs in the wild and they collect them and. Mm-hmm. Yep. So the roots in that is this part of history. So, so now we enter the age of science where people will start to study insects, seriously study them. Mm-hmm. Uh, etymology becomes a field and a, and suddenly bugs are collected, observed, admired. You know, you're looking at things like butterflies. They're so

[00:27:04] beautiful. There's all kinds of different bugs out there that just have so, such strange, crazy things. I do love butterflies. Yes. I love praying mantises. They are cool. They are very cool. Yes. So, so people kept the collections. They studied their behavior and got very into the details. Yeah. So, so here's the key shift. So the attention turns into fascination. Fascination then turns into

[00:27:30] fixation, which we see with a lot of different kinks, right? You get obsessed with this thing. So for some people. So also during this time, clothing got very elaborate. Bodies were more covered. Exposure was limited. So anything involving skin sensation, unexpected contact started to carry a more of a psychological weight during this time. So the thing I equate this to is if like somebody's touching you really softly with like their fingernails, right? Cause that's the same

[00:28:00] feeling you're going to get as a bug crawling on your skin. Oh, I go over that. Yep. Perfect. Perfect. So in the early 20th century, so this is when psychology enters the chat. So I'll be brief on this cause I know you're going to talk about that too. So we finally start getting explanations for why people develop unusual attractions. So not only to bugs, but maybe you're attracted to Christmas

[00:28:21] trees. Shut up. No judgment, no judgment, right? I mean anything, things that you would not normally think people would be attracted to. So that's, that's where we start to see some of the things, some of the explanation behind that. So, uh, so early psychologists like Sigmund Freud, for example, you know, fear, fixation, early experiences that really shape, uh, adult desires. Do you want to

[00:28:50] crawl all over my Christmas trees? Is that what you're saying, Eve? I think I was saying you want to crawl all over your Christmas trees. There's six of them at my house. We can have a Christmas tree. Not seven, six, seven. So, so anyway, Deanna just texted me, come over with Eve record later. Deanna, we're recording right now. I know I'm calling you out. Okay. Anyways, we're going to punish her later. Yep. Perfect. So bring the handcuffs. All right. So yeah, so that's, um,

[00:29:21] so that I'm just going to leave that part, you know, the rest of it you can cover in psychology because it's, it's definitely going to be an interesting read. So now we're moving into the late 20th century. So naming the unnameable. Okay. So, you know, it's like he who shall not be named Voldemort. Oh God. So as conversation around sexuality expanded during this time, people began identifying and naming more niche interests. So, uh, so bug related fascination moved into obscure

[00:29:47] subcultures, psychological case studies, widespread conversations, and not just mainstream ones. So this is where it becomes very clear that not everyone, not everyone experiences this, but for those that do, it's tied specifically to sensory or psychological. I go over this. Yep. Should we just jump into psychology? Well, I'm only going to say that cause you're going to go over the why. Okay. So let's see. All right. All right. So this one, there's no psychology in this bit.

[00:30:16] Okay. So internet era. Oh God. Yeah. You found your people, unfortunately. Oh God. So this is like, you know, the two thousands plus internet changed everything as we said. Yeah. Now, instead of thinking, am I the only one people go, Oh, there's others that's comforting or concerning. Both. Both. Right. Whichever way you want to look at it. So there's a lot of anonymous discussion

[00:30:42] around this niche communities. It begins, begins to be normalized like a lot of kinks. Right. So to a degree with this one. Right. So at the same time, broader internet culture reacted with curiosity, shock memes. Oh man. Memes. Well, this is later. Oh yeah. Oh, I know this is later. This is just all the background. We're laying the framework for the bug fetish. So, so anyways, it's kind of like,

[00:31:09] you know, when you're on the internet, anything that you find in common when you're on the internet, it's like, I support you from afar. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So now moving into present modern era. So it's more of the self-awareness and boundaries because as we know, that's been a lot of what happens with sexuality in more modern times. So it's, it's more open, more focused on consent and boundaries. People are better at separating too. So intrusive thoughts, curiosity, actual preferences. You can

[00:31:37] separate these things into what they actually are. So bug related fascination is usually treated as a very niche thing during this time. You don't have to do this. Yeah. Yeah. Or do you? Oh God. You can tell how uncomfortable I am with this. I know you're like, you're like, let's move on to psychology. I don't want to talk about this anymore. All right. I'm going to have another trip. Okay. Perfect.

[00:31:59] Oh God. So here is the final evolution. So humans are becoming more complicated. So bug related fascination evolved through symbolism, disgust, accidental intimacy metaphors, scientific curiosity. I just have, I had a hair in your mouth. Was that a bug in your mouth? It was a bug leg inside of my teeth that got stuck in my teeth. That is so perfect timing. Um, that was so awesome.

[00:32:28] Oh my God. Hell yeah. I gosh, I wish we were. I just found it. Oh my God. Oh my God. When we start our video podcasting, we need to have props and things. So weird shit happens. So anyway, yeah. So we move into niche identity, internet exposure, self-aware discussion, you know, more openness. So, so that's where we're at. You know, it's, it's a, it's a long road for this one and it's still very

[00:32:54] niche and obscure and different. Um, but it's, it's out there and the internet helps. Thanks. I hate it. Yes. I'm like, no, you got to sit through it. All right. Yeah. I'm going to take another drink. I cannot stand this episode. I hate you, Eve. I love you. I hate you. Yeah. Why did you choose this? Okay. Because, because you're hot. You're halfway there. Like you're really pretty. Oh. I'm living on a prayer. Living on a prayer.

[00:33:24] I cannot wait to hear the psychology. Let's go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Do it. Psychology. Have you ever felt a little antsy? Pun intended. Ants in the pants? Mm-hmm. And maybe a little too into it? Yeah. We're going there. Oh, no. See, now I'm going to get uncomfortable. I don't have that in my pants. Good. I'm not wearing pants right now. I know you're not. It's really funny. Last time I wasn't wearing a shirt. Yep. No, I didn't have a bra on.

[00:33:53] I took my bra off. This is how we record. Oh, no. It's time for you. Just take your clothes off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect. Sweet. I'm going to just take my shirt off. There we go. Excellent. Excellent. Maybe Danny will come home again. Oh, my God. That'd be so funny. That'd be so hilarious. Why do we get naked every time we record? He just comes down and smiles at us. He just like shakes his head. He's like, what are you guys doing? What the fuck? All right. I'm just going to wear this as a necklace. There we go. Perfect. Perfect. There we go.

[00:34:22] Shirts off. Pants off. All right. Perfect. This is our new recording style. There we go. He was just naked now. Excellent. Ready? Yeah. So most commonly in this play is ants. But honestly, bugs in general, tiny legs, like the one I just got stuck in my teeth. So it's unpredictable, unpredictable movement by the bugs. Full body

[00:34:50] tingles. It's like nature's weirdest version of sensory play. Thank you, nature. It's like ASMR on your body. Yeah. So what's going on here? So psychology wise, it can tie into classical conditioning where your brain links a unique physical sensation, like those little like tickly footsteps in your brain with arousal over time. Basically, your brain said, this is weird.

[00:35:19] And then your brain said, but also, I kind of like it. Yeah, I kind of like it. It's like a spicy mix of fear and excitement. Yeah, absolutely. So your heart's racing, your skin's on edge. And it just is a perfect cocktail for to create this kink. Yeah. It's like, um, like, um, when somebody puts a candle wax on your

[00:35:46] body, it's just like, yeah, you're like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a minute. Yes. Nice. Nice. So let's be real here. Please be nice to animals. Don't put them in harm's way, especially for your own pleasure. What we did. Yeah. So when we did the giantess fantasies episode, um, there were so many people who liked watching animals or bugs being stopped on. Oh, please don't

[00:36:14] do that. I know bugs are so important to the ecosystem and just don't do it. Yeah. That's not nice. Yeah. You're a good human. Unless it's a mosquito. Fuck those guys. Oh God. Fucking burn them down. Oh my God. So when we did the vor episode, I think it was like episode two or three or something. Um,

[00:36:38] so we talked about, so vor is when you like eat things. Oh yeah. Okay. And I did see some stuff, some videos where people were swelling goldfish alive and whole. What? Not okay. Don't do that. No, it's probably not. Um, don't do that. No. Okay. Okay. So my next point is, you know what?

[00:37:04] Yep. Now that we have AI, there's no excuses anymore. Don't do that. Yeah. Great AI videos. If you're into this and it's sick and weird, just create an AI video for your own pleasure. Yeah. For your own pleasure. Yeah, exactly. Like I don't condone most forms of AI art, but yeah, if you want to go do that, that great. That's a great use for, of it. Go make your own goldfish, gold, goldfish board. It was so sad. I watched it for science. So don't give the people these

[00:37:33] views, but I did. Oh God. I know. Okay. Anyways, anyways, so safety. Yes. I thought about going over safety, but you know what? If the bugs are scared or feel threatened and they bite you or sting you, that's your own damn fault. And I don't blame them. Yeah, exactly. What were you expecting? So our safety tip, don't fucking do it. Yes. Don't fuck with the bugs. Yeah. Yeah. That's your own damn fault. There's no safety in this. I don't blame them for biting or

[00:38:00] stinging you. No, you step in a fire ant pit. Yep. And that's your fault. On purpose for your own kink? No, fuck you. But also, you know, no, no judgment. I'm judging at this point. I'm barely getting through this. All right. Common practices. Yes. Here we go. All right. Bugs crawling all over you and that or inside of you. That's it. Segment's done. Oh my God. Thanks. I hate it. Oh my God. Oh my

[00:38:28] God. Inside of you. Oh, you didn't see this? You didn't. Oh, honey. I had to look up videos for science. Yeah. Do you know what's happening? Well, see, that's why I'm happy that you got to do that section because I don't. Oh, it was extremely hard to watch Eve. So it's going to get dark.

[00:38:53] Uh huh. I hate it. I hate it already. Yep. Oh my God. The look on your face of disgust right now. See, do you know what they do? Uh, no, but I'm not. This is the part where I was watching videos for research and I kept gagging and like almost throwing up. Okay. So. Oh my God. I don't even know. I don't even know how to start. Do you want me to read it? Nope. Okay. I can do it.

[00:39:19] I just need to take a breath and take a drink. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect. Clink, clink, clink, clink, boop. Okay. There we go. All right. So, and I think some of this is sold on the dark web. Mm hmm. Got it. I'm pretty sure it is. I love your phone case, by the way. Thanks. Okay. Thanks for distracting me. Yep. See, I knew that would work. Happiness. Okay. So. Wow. I think this is the longest I've seen you get through a subject. I know. You're just like,

[00:39:48] I don't want to talk about it. I don't even go through it. Okay. So like I said, a lot of it, I think is sold on the dark web. Do you know why? Because some of the videos I saw, oh God, I'm about to cry. Oh no. They were stretching holes. Non-consensually. Oh no. And inserting bugs. Ew. Oh no. See why I was gagging? I'm about to gag right now. Yeah. I think if I saw that,

[00:40:16] I might as well. I did not want to see it, but oh God. Oh no. We'll do a fun episode next, next week about rainbows or some shit. Please. Rainbows and unicorns. Please. Yes, absolutely. And sugar and spice and everything nice. So yeah, restraints. They're restrained and they're just forcing bugs inside of them. Ew. I do not like that because it's not consensual. That's not cool.

[00:40:42] I hate it here. Shit. Yuck. Well, I regret my life choices picking this subject. My bad. That's what I was saying. All right. Okay. So the last one for common practices is the only way at this play that can be okay. Just get some fake bugs. Oh yeah, totally. Totally. Or something to play with. Like there, there's fake bug dildos. There's,

[00:41:11] there, there are. Yeah, of course. No one more positive note. Okay. You can buy those little tiny bugs too, like the dollar store. Yeah. Those might poke you a little though. There's a, there's a pocket pussy that shaped like the character from the movie, a bug's life. The fat caterpillar named Hemlich. Oh my God. Oh my God. Just do that. Just

[00:41:37] yeah. Don't harm any real bugs, please. No. Oh my God. Oh my God. We should get one. There's only one in existence and $2,000 in eBay. Oh shit. Do you want to see a picture? Yes. Okay. Let me find it. Um, bugs, life, pocket pussy. Why my poor search history? Oh my God. Oh yeah. There it is. Our search history, my search history. Oh my God. Get that out of my face. That's

[00:42:06] just weird and strange. You know, better than everything we've talked about today. Yeah. Okay. I mean, I guess it's better than just a plain, plain old fleshlight. Yeah. If that's what you're into, if you're into bugs, there you go. Yeah. You can fuck his face. It's just right there. It's a caterpillar. It's a caterpillar. All right. So you can also simulate this play or experience by just pouring rice or beans or something all over your body. And it's the same ASMR effect as bugs being crawling all over you. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:42:35] Perfect. We should try that. I never thought I'd be talking about this ever in my life. Why? Yeah. Why? You're welcome. We did it. As Annie said, he's like, you chose this. I'm like, I know, but why? Yes. Okay. Okay. I mean, yeah, I said that you agreed and we're like, yeah, let's go. Media pop culture. Yes. TV shows. Yes. You said it earlier. Fear factor. Fear factor.

[00:43:02] Fear factor. There's so much bugs. I know. So many bugs. Dude, I would have crushed it on that show. Crushed it. Pussies. So it's the new one with Johnny Knoxville. Oh, wait. I haven't seen that. What? I haven't seen that yet. We've been watching it. It's a new, it's a, they restarted it. What? With Johnny Knoxville? He's the host. He must have the whitest gray head by now. He has gray hair. Yes. Yeah. But he's like, he's like, none of this bothers me. He's like,

[00:43:32] I've done worse. Oh yeah. We've seen him do it on television. Yep. Oh my God. Yeah. It's a new series that just came out and we've been watching it. It's great. There's a lot of bugs. There's a lot of bugs. Wow. Wow. Wow. Oh my gosh. Oh man. Do you have another TV show? Um, I don't have any TV shows, but I have some songs and hang on. I got another TV show. So the show house. Yes. Yes. I'm familiar with that. I used to watch, I haven't seen all the episodes, but

[00:44:00] I've seen enough. So this particular episode, it's this teenage girl and she gets really sick, has to go to the emergency room and he's trying to treat her, trying to figure out what's going on. Um, and it turns out, um, she had relations with a boy. Okay. Um, and she like snuck out or he snuck

[00:44:26] into her house late at night. They're teenagers, you know? Yeah. Um, as we do as teens. Yeah. And so he's like trying to figure out what's going on. She's having all this like sickness and like, and he's like, wait, you said you had relations with a boy the other night. Um, was he running through the yard? And she's like, yeah. And he's like, I need to find, I think I know what's going

[00:44:50] on. Oh, I think I saw this episode. There is a tick inside of her. And he's like, I'm so sorry, but I have to, I think there, I think this is what's going on. I have to pull it out for your safety and for medically. And he was right. Oh yeah. And he saved her life. But like, holy shit. Could you imagine? I'm never. The tick was like huge. Like, cause it sucks blood. Yeah. And she was so sick and like, Oh my God, I could not fucking imagine. Yeah. I'm never leaving

[00:45:20] the house without pants. You mentioned a tick inside of you down there. Oh God. Oh God. Ew. It was a good episode, but like he's, he's a lifesaver, but holy shit. I couldn't imagine. You know what I would have to do if I found that? What? I would have to rip that thing out and sacrifice it to the gods or something. Cause I'd be so pissed. Like I'm atheist. I don't believe that stuff, but I would make

[00:45:45] an exception for that. Oh God. Yeah. Oh my God. Oh poor girl. Wow. But her life got saved. It's TV shows, bugs. I don't know. Yeah. So movies. Yeah. I got some movies. Go for it. So have you ever seen the fly? That's not my first note. Okay. I think maybe I saw it when I was like four.

[00:46:10] Well, yeah. So I, I'm seven years older than you. I think. Yeah. Cause anyways, yes. So I saw it like, I don't know. I remember it vividly because before he turns into a fly in that movie. Yeah. Jeff Goldblum is the main character. And I was like, Oh my God, he is so hot. Says every woman ever. I had the biggest crush on Jeff Goldblum because of that movie.

[00:46:36] So did my mom. Oh my gosh. Nice. But yeah. So for those of you that have never seen it, he creates this teleportation. It's very important. You know the drink? Yes, exactly. That's very important. I need it. I need it for this. So he invents like teleportation devices. And so he's using them, whatever, doing his experiment. And a fly gets in one of them. Switch. What? Yes. And so it changes his DNA. And throughout the

[00:47:04] movie, he slowly becomes more and more like a fly. Okay. Yes. And then? Like there's romantic scenes and shit. Yeah. So it's very much like gives off bug fetish vibes a little bit. So from my notes, I, I, I have not seen the movie as an adult. Yeah. But from what I saw, like as his like transition into a fly, his like libido and like aggression, like heightens. Big time.

[00:47:34] Yeah. Yep. Okay. That's what I had. Yes. That's exactly what happens. Oh boy. And he starts crawling around on the walls and all kinds of weird shit. And eventually becomes very disgusting fly that's like falling apart at the seams. Sounds like you're describing us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Are we going to become bugs later? Is that what's that? We're just crawling over everywhere. We're just crawling apart. Yeah. We're fine. We're fine. Don't mind us. This is just how we are.

[00:48:01] Just eating crickets and we're, we're fine. Yeah. In this economy. So do you have some more movies? I do. Sweet. Kind of. Okay. So we did do a alien exophilia episode and a lot of the movies I watch for science, for research, it's like a fetish porn thing where like parasites are a part of it. And

[00:48:28] they like go on, they like get attached to you. Like, like obsessively or onto your vagina or you swallow a parasite and it's like a hypersexual parasite where it turns you hypersexual. Is that the only side effects? Where can I get one? It turns you like into like a sexual like demon or you're just like craving sex. Okay. So I probably already have one of those then. Got it.

[00:48:54] Noted. We already got the parasite. Yeah, we already got it. Okay. Awesome. I love that for us. Music. Yeah. So music. Uh, let's see. Let's go down here. Bugs by Pearl Jam. Yeah. That's a great song. Yeah. Um, uh, Butterfly by Crazy Town. Yes. I'm a butterfly, sugar, baby. Fun fact. I played, I played a, uh, drum and bass remix of that last night. Really? Yeah. Awesome. I want to hear it later.

[00:49:20] Yeah. Um, ants marching, but Dave Matthews man. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's a good one. Uh, spider webs by no doubt. Oh yeah. Okay. I didn't think of that one. Yeah. So kind of sort of, um, nine inch nails closer. Yes. It's not really about bugs, but it has that creepy, like, I want to fuck you like an animal. Bugs are animals. Yeah. Um, uh, so along those lines, actually the becoming by nine inch nails.

[00:49:49] Okay. Um, kind of has that same kind of vibe. Yeah. Um, but, uh, Bullet with Butterfly Wings by the Smashing Pumpkins. All right. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Love that song. Huge fan. Huge fan. Shout out to Smashing Pumpkins for helping me get through high school. Oh, video games. Oh yeah. I didn't get anything for video games. Oh, I get a lot. Okay, cool. Grounded. So it's a video game where you're

[00:50:14] shrunk to a bug size and you now have to deal with like bugs that are bigger than you and trying to eat you. And it's like a survival game. Oh, like Honey, I Shrunk the Kids kind of thing? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Got it. Yep. Which... It looks fun. Yeah. We should play it. Totally. So the Sims. The Sims. The Sims. We always got to go back to the Sims. Like the Sims has everything.

[00:50:37] Mm-hmm. Those people are brilliant. Seriously. Uh-huh. Yes. So there's cockroaches, bees, flies, and they can and will crawl all over you in your Sims. They will. If you don't take care of yourself or take care of your like bee thing or your beehive, they will fight you back and they will crawl all over you. Oh, wow. That's probably what happened to my Sims

[00:51:04] since I log in like once every six months. Oh, God. They're always dead. You're just like not taking care of them. No, no. Actually, Devin and I think that's kind of funny to see what happens to see if they're still alive or not. I should probably check in on Danny and I, so we'll see what's going on. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So VR. Yes, VR. I was waiting for it. I was waiting for it, too. So I was VR-ing for Bug Worlds and I leave my door open

[00:51:29] when Eve comes in because my door's always open for Eve. She walks in. I'm just like downstairs like VR-ing. She's like, what the fuck are you doing? I'm like, see this? I toss the VR headset over to her and hex bugs. Yes. Explain what those are for people that maybe don't remember. So if you're old enough. Yeah, if you're old enough. Wink, wink, wink, wink, wink. Remember the

[00:51:54] little hex bug toys that are like battery operated? They run around and they're just like, they're hex bugs. So this VR world, you are just hanging out in a hex bugs world where hex bugs are just running all over the place. And there's one hex bug. If you can catch it, you can hop on it and ride it. And I did it. Yeah, that's about where I came in. So you're riding a hex bug having the time of your

[00:52:21] life. Then what? Oh, God. Oh, God. So we did do a giant just episode a long time ago. And this kind of is adjacent to that. Oh, but I fell off of the hex bug because you did. And then I just started spinning in circles and getting vertigo and had to take it off. It was fucking hilarious. You got the headset. You're like, no. I was like, I can't. Yeah. God. How did you catch that thing?

[00:52:48] Because I don't even know. It took me a while. Really? Yeah. I was like 10 minutes. I was like trying to just ride it. You're just trying to ride it. Yeah. Come on, ride a train and ride it. Come on, baby. Okay. So, oh, God. So the giantess world. There's a world where you are like,

[00:53:10] you are a bug, basically. Yeah. And there's giant women. With huge boobies. Well, they're giants. Yeah. Those boobies were, they were big even for the giants. Yeah. They were nice. They're nice. And they're like, it was their apartment. And you're just like on the floor. Yep. And you're like the size of a bug and you're just walking around and just doing stuff. And then we found like Lego cars on the floor.

[00:53:38] You can ride. That was so cool. And like, there's just all this weird stuff. Yeah. You're just a tiny bug human experiencing life as a bug. Yep. We never did figure out what was under the blanket on our bed though. Oh. We'll have to do that again in a minute. All right. We will. Yeah. It was, it was hilarious. So I get here and she checks it out, hands me the headset. I go on a side quest for like 30 minutes before we start recording and like find everything in the game. I'm like,

[00:54:07] I never went this far in the map, in the VR map. Oh my God. Oh yeah. I was having the time of my life. There's so much. Yeah. My favorite though, is we'd go out into the town. Yeah. Everybody, you're a giant out in the town. You turn into the giantess. Yeah. Yeah. And then I was like, oh, I'm going to swat one of these people. And I knocked everything on the ground, drinks and all. You can like squish everybody with your feet, with your giantess feet. Yeah. It was so funny. We got a good video of that, I think.

[00:54:35] We did. We'll upload it. Yeah. What else? Any other video games? I think that's it. That's all I got. Yeah. Got it. Cool. So let's see. Did I have any more? Do you have anything else? No, I don't think so. We did, uh, we did. Deanna is telling us to come over. She's texted me, I think 40 times. I'm not even joking. Deanna. I told her, I said, no, shut up.

[00:55:03] She can move over here. Yeah. Right. We're not that far. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. All right. Moving on. We love you guys. Yes, absolutely. Thank you so much for listening. And thank you, Katie, for getting through that episode. Your face is so uncomfortable the whole time. I know. I'm sitting here. I'm like, is she mad at me for doing this episode? Okay. I can tell. I was like, ugh. But I signed up for it. It's all right. I did it. I did it. I did the damn thing. You did it. Yes. Now we never have to do it again.

[00:55:29] Now I'm going to drink extra drinks because I need to recover from this. From this, uh, yeah. Yeah. It was traumatizing. Okay. All right. Um, I had crickets legs stuck in my teeth. Damn. Hey, at least it wasn't somewhere else. Oh, God. Okay. All right. Please rate us five stars. It helps us out so, so, so, so much. Visit us at kingsitcoctails.com.

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