Tickling Fetish • Episode 24

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Ready to giggle? In this episode, we're diving into the world of tickling fetishes! From feather-light touches to full-on laughter, we'll explore why some find it thrilling while others squirm. Get ready for some laughs and a few cringes, as we sip cocktails and unravel the science behind those sensitive spots. Don't miss out—this episode will have you toe-curling, breath-catching, and maybe even rethinking tickling!

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[00:01:29] All right. Hi, everyone.

[00:01:30] We are Kinks and Cocktails, a podcast where we explore different kink every episode.

[00:01:35] My name is Katie.

[00:01:36] I'm Jake.

[00:01:37] How are you doing today, Jake?

[00:01:38] I'm good.

[00:01:39] I'm happy to be back.

[00:01:40] Yeah, it's been a while.

[00:01:42] It's been a minute.

[00:01:43] We've been busy.

[00:01:44] What have you been up to?

[00:01:46] Aside from rescheduling, recording this podcast, I've been enjoying the end of summer, the end of the last warm weather.

[00:01:56] Although it's Minnesota, so we get this weird, it's warm.

[00:02:00] It's cold.

[00:02:00] It's warm.

[00:02:01] It's like fake fall and then back to summer, then fake fall.

[00:02:04] Yeah.

[00:02:05] So it's been just a series of picking out jackets.

[00:02:09] Right.

[00:02:10] Putting some away, getting new ones out.

[00:02:12] How about you?

[00:02:13] Back and forth.

[00:02:14] I found this on the web for us to taking our jackets race.

[00:02:17] Oh, my God.

[00:02:18] Siri, are you serious?

[00:02:19] That's so funny.

[00:02:21] I thought I heard something in the background.

[00:02:23] We're like, what was that?

[00:02:25] Siri, you are not invited to this.

[00:02:30] Siri's like, I want to be a co-host.

[00:02:32] No.

[00:02:33] That would be a funny episode, though.

[00:02:35] We could do an episode on...

[00:02:37] Like an AI or something?

[00:02:38] An AI.

[00:02:39] Oh, that'd be full.

[00:02:40] Oh, okay.

[00:02:41] I'm doing some AI work at work.

[00:02:44] Okay.

[00:02:44] We'll get this figured out.

[00:02:45] Got a little inside track stuff.

[00:02:46] I like it.

[00:02:47] Well, that was a happy accident then.

[00:02:50] Mm-hmm.

[00:02:50] So, I guess I...

[00:02:52] Danny and I took a last minute trip to Vegas.

[00:02:55] Oh, that's right.

[00:02:56] Very last minute.

[00:02:57] We were like out to lunch and we were just having lunch and Danny started looking at tickets and then hotel rooms.

[00:03:08] And in the middle of lunch, we're like, let's go.

[00:03:10] Plane leaves in two hours.

[00:03:12] Oh, my God.

[00:03:13] I love it.

[00:03:13] It's so funny.

[00:03:14] We were splitting a club sandwich.

[00:03:17] Went, ate half of it, boxed it up, left the restaurant, brought it to Vegas, finished a club sandwich in our hotel room when we got there.

[00:03:25] Oh, my God.

[00:03:27] That's fantastic.

[00:03:28] It was great.

[00:03:29] We had a blast.

[00:03:30] Lisa and I are the opposite of that.

[00:03:32] We're the ultimate planners.

[00:03:34] You guys have to plan.

[00:03:35] Yeah.

[00:03:35] We're spontaneous.

[00:03:36] Very spontaneous.

[00:03:37] You know, Danny and I, our plan is that we have no plan.

[00:03:40] Always.

[00:03:41] Mm-hmm.

[00:03:43] All right.

[00:03:44] Let's see what else.

[00:03:45] I got to try your VR racing arcade thing.

[00:03:48] That was super cool.

[00:03:48] That was so fun.

[00:03:49] You were...

[00:03:51] Well, you were booking it.

[00:03:52] I was awful at it.

[00:03:54] Well...

[00:03:54] You can be honest.

[00:03:56] You and Lisa were only like seconds apart.

[00:03:59] Yeah.

[00:04:00] So, Jake, explain what it is.

[00:04:02] It's like a giant arcade-style race car game in your house.

[00:04:07] Everything you said about that was wrong.

[00:04:08] Oh.

[00:04:09] You say it.

[00:04:11] It's not an arcade and it's not a game.

[00:04:13] It's a simulator.

[00:04:15] Simulator.

[00:04:16] Thank you very much.

[00:04:17] I'm wiping a tear.

[00:04:19] And...

[00:04:21] And, yeah, it is big and it's definitely not arcade-y, though, because it's got, like, force feedback in the...

[00:04:29] It's got the wheel and it's got pressure-sensitive pedals and it's...

[00:04:35] Jake's very sensitive about what everything is called for this.

[00:04:37] I want to call it a game.

[00:04:39] He's going to get mad at me again.

[00:04:40] Yeah.

[00:04:40] My wife says, did you play?

[00:04:43] I was like, do you mean did I race?

[00:04:46] Is there an F1 racing kink?

[00:04:50] I know there's got to be.

[00:04:52] There's got to be.

[00:04:53] There's got to be.

[00:04:53] He's like, I already know about it.

[00:04:56] You mean the one I have.

[00:04:58] Right?

[00:05:00] Blasted.

[00:05:00] Yeah, it's fun.

[00:05:01] That was cool that you got to do it.

[00:05:03] Yeah, it was fun.

[00:05:05] Oh, so, yeah.

[00:05:06] So we had a new idea for new bonus episodes.

[00:05:10] We were thinking of doing a series where we read Pornhub comments in the videos, the funny ones.

[00:05:19] We're going to look into it.

[00:05:21] I think that's...

[00:05:21] I think that would be...

[00:05:22] Like, it reminds me sort of like mean tweets.

[00:05:26] Yeah.

[00:05:26] That you see on like late night, but...

[00:05:29] Right.

[00:05:29] Like reviews or...

[00:05:30] Or a twist on it.

[00:05:31] Yes.

[00:05:31] I like it.

[00:05:32] We'll look into it.

[00:05:35] Yeah.

[00:05:35] So what's this episode about?

[00:05:38] It's about tickling.

[00:05:40] Hee hee.

[00:05:42] I guess the actual term is nismolagnia.

[00:05:47] Yeah.

[00:05:51] So tickle torture fetish.

[00:05:53] Yeah.

[00:05:53] So our drink pairing was a drink called Giggle Juice.

[00:05:59] And it's delicious.

[00:06:00] Yeah, it was good.

[00:06:01] If you want to learn how to make it, you can find it on all of our social media.

[00:06:07] And then we were going to do a snack pairing of Laughing Cow Cheese.

[00:06:11] But then I surprised Jake and said, nope, we're going to do some Bean Boozled candies.

[00:06:18] Which if you don't know, are the Jelly Bellies with different flavors.

[00:06:23] One flavor is like gross and the other one's delicious.

[00:06:28] No spoiler alerts, but I would have rather had the cheese.

[00:06:35] You can watch us doing it on video on probably TikTok and stuff.

[00:06:39] We'll upload that.

[00:06:40] It was a good time.

[00:06:42] It was a good time for one of us.

[00:06:44] Only one of us was laughing in the end.

[00:06:48] All right.

[00:06:49] So fun facts.

[00:06:51] Yeah.

[00:06:52] Fun facts.

[00:06:53] All right.

[00:06:53] Do you want to go first or do you want me to launch us off?

[00:06:57] All right.

[00:06:58] So I guess the first thing I want to say is I have seen this done tickle torture in person at Ground Zero Nightclub in Minneapolis.

[00:07:08] I also have seen this.

[00:07:10] Really?

[00:07:11] Yes.

[00:07:11] At Ground Zero?

[00:07:12] Yes.

[00:07:12] Okay.

[00:07:13] So maybe we saw the same person.

[00:07:14] So when I went, there is this guy.

[00:07:18] He's like half naked and duct tape over his mouth and on his chest and black marker had said, tickle me.

[00:07:25] And he was like tied to a pole.

[00:07:29] And somebody was.

[00:07:30] Did you see the same thing?

[00:07:31] This is not what I saw.

[00:07:32] Okay.

[00:07:33] And so I didn't go tickle him, but a couple of people from the group I was in would just walk by and he was just people just walking by and just tickling him throughout the night.

[00:07:41] Like, oh, my God, that's awesome.

[00:07:42] What did you see?

[00:07:44] It was bondage night.

[00:07:45] Yep.

[00:07:46] It was one of my friends.

[00:07:48] I won't say who.

[00:07:49] But they they were a audience participant.

[00:07:55] Okay.

[00:07:56] And got tickled for part of their part of their session.

[00:08:00] Wow.

[00:08:01] How they requested that.

[00:08:04] I don't know if it was requested.

[00:08:05] It was a long time ago.

[00:08:07] Okay.

[00:08:07] I can't I can't remember if it was requested or imposed.

[00:08:10] Wow.

[00:08:11] And funny.

[00:08:12] Literally.

[00:08:13] Yeah.

[00:08:15] All right.

[00:08:15] You go ahead with your next fun fact.

[00:08:17] Don't me say next.

[00:08:18] Yeah, just go.

[00:08:18] Okay.

[00:08:19] So there's over ninety five thousand kinksters and fat life dot com with this tagged.

[00:08:25] Um, I'm close for sale.

[00:08:28] There are three thousand stores.

[00:08:31] All combined.

[00:08:33] They have over one hundred fifty thousand clips.

[00:08:35] Oh, my gosh.

[00:08:37] It's a lot of tickling.

[00:08:38] That is a lot of tickling.

[00:08:40] Oh, there's a tickle spa in Madrid, Spain.

[00:08:45] What is that?

[00:08:46] What does that entail?

[00:08:47] So it's like a it's supposed to relax you.

[00:08:51] Okay.

[00:08:52] I know.

[00:08:53] I I was like, wait, what?

[00:08:55] So they just do light tickling like feathers and their fingertips.

[00:08:59] And like apparently it's so light where it's relaxing.

[00:09:04] I don't know, I would do it just because I wouldn't want to be like proven wrong.

[00:09:07] Like it doesn't sound.

[00:09:10] Would you try it?

[00:09:13] I I'm not a fan of tickling, so I would not try it.

[00:09:17] I am very, very ticklish.

[00:09:19] And it'd be like a challenge for them.

[00:09:21] I'd be like, I doubt you can do this without me laughing.

[00:09:24] Like, uh huh.

[00:09:26] Well, OK, and I'm sure we'll talk about this later, but you don't even have to make contact.

[00:09:32] I'm already right.

[00:09:34] Yeah, exactly.

[00:09:36] Yeah.

[00:09:36] You just you look at me like you're gonna and you got me.

[00:09:39] I see the fingers go into tickle and I like freak out.

[00:09:44] So there is a lot of crossovers with this fetish.

[00:09:48] Like armpit fetish is a major one I came across and foot fetish as well.

[00:09:54] Yes.

[00:09:55] So I did find the actual name for the crossover between armpit fetish and tickling fetish.

[00:10:00] OK, that is do heaney.

[00:10:02] Oh, yeah.

[00:10:04] That was interesting.

[00:10:05] Did you find your notes?

[00:10:08] You know, I didn't find my notes, but I'll just remember some of the stuff that I was.

[00:10:13] OK, we're winging it.

[00:10:15] We're going to wing it a little bit.

[00:10:18] Sorry, I'll keep going.

[00:10:18] I got some more stuff.

[00:10:21] Well, yeah, I'm going to try and wing it, but I can't remember the definition.

[00:10:24] But there were there were ancient phrases that that were the same.

[00:10:30] There was a ancient Japanese.

[00:10:32] There was an ancient Latin.

[00:10:35] Yeah.

[00:10:37] The Latin one I thought was great.

[00:10:40] It was it basically translated to like the final the final touch.

[00:10:46] Oh, God.

[00:10:47] That sounds so awful.

[00:10:49] Yeah.

[00:10:49] I did find a tickledates dot com exists.

[00:10:55] OK, what is what is tickledates?

[00:10:57] It's a dating site.

[00:10:59] You can find people in your area who also enjoy tickling.

[00:11:04] Do you did you?

[00:11:05] I did try to sign up for science.

[00:11:08] OK.

[00:11:09] And but then it said we were not approved because they didn't think we were a real person.

[00:11:14] They were.

[00:11:15] Well, we were podcast.

[00:11:16] So.

[00:11:16] So did you did you get as far as like filling out a profile?

[00:11:22] Like, was there a.

[00:11:22] Yeah.

[00:11:23] So I guess from what I remember, you like choose, like check off different boxes of like.

[00:11:30] How you like to be tickled.

[00:11:32] Are you the tickler?

[00:11:33] Are you the tickly?

[00:11:34] That's what I was.

[00:11:35] Are you the switch?

[00:11:36] Yeah.

[00:11:37] So it was pretty interesting.

[00:11:41] Did you have any more fun facts?

[00:11:43] Well, in the in the ancient Japanese, it was it was a punishment that was reserved for sort of.

[00:11:55] Like the worst of the worst.

[00:11:57] Yeah.

[00:11:58] That was that was one of the things that you could be eligible for if you did something that was just like.

[00:12:03] Way out of the norm.

[00:12:05] Right.

[00:12:05] All right.

[00:12:06] Let's let's move on to history.

[00:12:08] Yeah, let's do that.

[00:12:10] So there's a lot of history.

[00:12:12] This one was this one was fun because it goes back to ancient Greece.

[00:12:17] Oh, yeah.

[00:12:18] Yeah.

[00:12:18] We talked about the ancient Greeks.

[00:12:20] We do a lot.

[00:12:21] Yeah.

[00:12:22] Yes.

[00:12:22] They pop up every now and again.

[00:12:26] So Aristotle has this this great quote around 350 B.C.

[00:12:31] The fact that human beings are only are susceptible to tickling is due to one, the finesse of their skin.

[00:12:42] And two, they're being the only creatures that laugh.

[00:12:49] Both of those are wrong.

[00:12:50] I was just going to say, that's not right.

[00:12:53] Okay.

[00:12:54] You thought he had it figured out.

[00:12:56] But, you know, people learn.

[00:12:59] People move on.

[00:13:00] Um, Darwin, who famously came up with a theory of evolution.

[00:13:07] Yep.

[00:13:07] Um, he said that, um, that people have to react to tickles, um, if they're in a happy mood and they have to be surprised and touched lightly.

[00:13:21] Okay.

[00:13:22] That was, that was his criteria for being able to be tickled.

[00:13:26] Uh-huh.

[00:13:27] Um, Nietzsche, uh, he, he said, uh, what is the best life?

[00:13:38] To be tickled to death.

[00:13:40] No, that sounds awful.

[00:13:42] No, thank you.

[00:13:45] I mean, he was kind of a messed up guy, but, um.

[00:13:48] Yeah, it sounds like it.

[00:13:54] Um, in, okay, so like in ancient Japan, it was also practiced around the world, um, in, um, medieval England.

[00:14:05] People get locked in stocks.

[00:14:07] I remember that, that's the thing where you put your head and your hands in, and then it closed down.

[00:14:11] Yeah.

[00:14:12] Mm-hmm.

[00:14:13] No.

[00:14:15] And so, uh.

[00:14:16] And tickling is like a, a punishment.

[00:14:19] Well, kids would go and, and tickle people to mess with them.

[00:14:24] Why do I think, find that mean, but also kind of adorable?

[00:14:28] Right, right.

[00:14:30] Um.

[00:14:31] They didn't have the internet back then.

[00:14:33] They just, this was their fun.

[00:14:35] And it was, you know.

[00:14:37] Oh.

[00:14:37] It's sort of innocent, but also like.

[00:14:40] You know, as a kid.

[00:14:42] Right.

[00:14:43] What are you going to say to that?

[00:14:44] Right.

[00:14:45] Right.

[00:14:46] Um.

[00:14:47] There, there were, uh, there was a researcher in the 1940s in Ohio that used his test subjects, or his kids as his own test subjects.

[00:15:00] Yeah.

[00:15:01] Sounds like the tickle monster.

[00:15:02] Yeah.

[00:15:03] Um.

[00:15:04] Oh, the tickle monster.

[00:15:06] We'll get into that.

[00:15:07] Yeah, we'll get into that.

[00:15:08] Oh my gosh.

[00:15:09] Oh my gosh.

[00:15:11] Um.

[00:15:12] There's a, there's a lot of different, um, definitions.

[00:15:18] Yeah.

[00:15:18] Of, of tickling.

[00:15:20] That have, that have sort of changed over time.

[00:15:25] Uh, there's a researcher, Thomas Mintz, uh, in the 1960s, he called it, uh, the itch that moves.

[00:15:33] Okay.

[00:15:35] Uh-huh.

[00:15:36] Um, he was saying that, like, at a neurological level, um, like, touching is, is localized.

[00:15:47] Mm-hmm.

[00:15:47] Um.

[00:15:49] And he said, um, tickling happens outside of us, whereas pain happens inside of us.

[00:15:59] Okay.

[00:16:00] Okay.

[00:16:01] All over our body.

[00:16:02] I, I don't know if I just said.

[00:16:04] Yeah.

[00:16:04] Like, I see where he's going with that, but like.

[00:16:08] I guess a tickle feeling inside your body would be very creepy.

[00:16:12] Like, under your skin.

[00:16:14] Ooh.

[00:16:15] Ooh.

[00:16:16] Like, in your head or something.

[00:16:18] Like, oh, no, no, no.

[00:16:19] That just sounds scary.

[00:16:21] Yeah.

[00:16:21] Then something medically is wrong.

[00:16:23] You totally turned that quote on its head.

[00:16:26] Uh-huh.

[00:16:29] Um, oh, there is this, uh, neuroscientist, Robert Provine.

[00:16:36] He, he broke it down for me really, really well.

[00:16:40] Mm-hmm.

[00:16:40] I like this one.

[00:16:41] Um.

[00:16:41] Um, he called tickling the, the oldest joke.

[00:16:45] Yeah.

[00:16:46] And the reason is it's a joke that you can basically tell to an infant.

[00:16:53] Right.

[00:16:54] Yeah.

[00:16:55] You can also tell that joke to a chimpanzee.

[00:16:57] Yes.

[00:16:58] Right.

[00:16:59] And it's sort of like, I'm going to get you.

[00:17:00] I'm going to tickle you.

[00:17:01] Like what we're talking about.

[00:17:02] Right.

[00:17:03] Um, and so.

[00:17:06] It's not even actually a joke because, um, it's, it's an instinct.

[00:17:11] It's a reflex.

[00:17:12] Right.

[00:17:13] Do you want to, should we start with physiology?

[00:17:14] Let's do it.

[00:17:15] Okay.

[00:17:16] So like going from that, what you said, it's a joke that everybody gets.

[00:17:21] Even babies.

[00:17:22] Anyways.

[00:17:22] And a note I had about that is tickling is like one of the first bonding parents have

[00:17:28] with babies.

[00:17:29] Once they get that first like laugh reaction from a tickle, it's like, oh my God, it's so

[00:17:33] exciting.

[00:17:34] Yeah.

[00:17:36] That's right.

[00:17:36] It's like a social bonding thing for parents and babies and.

[00:17:40] Totally.

[00:17:41] Yeah.

[00:17:41] Um.

[00:17:42] Yeah.

[00:17:42] Go ahead.

[00:17:43] So then like, what was he?

[00:17:45] Physiology?

[00:17:46] No.

[00:17:46] Well, I'm talking about now I'm moving on to, uh, Arthur, uh, Kostler who is, he used

[00:17:51] a, uh, oh, he was an author.

[00:17:54] Okay.

[00:17:54] And he said that like, you know, with the, with a baby, it is only funny.

[00:18:05] Like they're only laughing if they know that there's no threat.

[00:18:10] Really?

[00:18:11] Yeah.

[00:18:12] Even babies know that?

[00:18:13] Well, yeah.

[00:18:13] I mean, if you're smiling.

[00:18:15] It's a natural instinct.

[00:18:16] Right.

[00:18:16] Yeah.

[00:18:17] And you feel safe.

[00:18:18] Oh.

[00:18:19] Yeah.

[00:18:20] Yeah.

[00:18:20] So then also here's the thing is, um, you're also imitating or playing the role of the quote

[00:18:28] unquote attacker, right?

[00:18:30] You're attacking with the tickles.

[00:18:31] And so for babies, it's their very first, um, entry into theater or play or like looking

[00:18:40] at things, uh, at two different levels.

[00:18:43] Wow.

[00:18:44] Yeah.

[00:18:44] I guess that's crazy.

[00:18:46] Mm hmm.

[00:18:48] Wow.

[00:18:48] I didn't think of it that way.

[00:18:49] That's wow.

[00:18:51] That's deep.

[00:18:52] Yeah.

[00:18:53] So yeah.

[00:18:56] Let's see.

[00:18:57] Um, do you have anything else for, I mean, I got so much, but I kind of cut you off there.

[00:19:02] Oh no.

[00:19:02] I thought we're moving on to physiology.

[00:19:04] Yeah.

[00:19:04] That's what I meant.

[00:19:05] Like I, or do you have more history?

[00:19:09] Um, well, I mean, um, if you have more history, we can keep going with history.

[00:19:14] Let's do it.

[00:19:15] Yeah.

[00:19:16] Go ahead.

[00:19:16] So there, there's two types of tickling.

[00:19:21] There's kinesis and gargalesis.

[00:19:26] Okay.

[00:19:26] And, um.

[00:19:28] What are the differences?

[00:19:29] So kinesis is sort of that, um, light brushing feathers on your.

[00:19:40] Yeah.

[00:19:40] On your skin.

[00:19:41] Like you could accidentally like.

[00:19:43] Rush against somebody.

[00:19:45] Right.

[00:19:45] Yeah.

[00:19:46] And gargalesis is when someone is in those.

[00:19:51] Like the extreme tickling.

[00:19:52] Tickling.

[00:19:53] Well, any sort of like someone else is doing it to you.

[00:19:57] You can't do that to yourself.

[00:19:59] You can't.

[00:19:59] You can't tickle yourself.

[00:20:00] No.

[00:20:00] Right.

[00:20:01] And that's because you know, it's coming.

[00:20:04] You're anticipating it.

[00:20:05] Yep.

[00:20:06] Um, the, the, the kinesis or knees.

[00:20:11] Yeah.

[00:20:12] There's a K.

[00:20:12] But there's so many terms in this that are hard to say.

[00:20:15] It always happens.

[00:20:17] Um, but yeah, when you.

[00:20:19] That, that, that's totally possible.

[00:20:20] Just, you know, getting ready in the morning.

[00:20:22] You, you get tickled by your, the tag on your sweater or something.

[00:20:27] Right.

[00:20:28] Yeah.

[00:20:28] Basically what I found is that, um, when you try to tickle yourself, like you're, yeah.

[00:20:33] Like you said, your brain already expects a sensation.

[00:20:35] So it doesn't react the same way if somebody else surprised you with a tickle.

[00:20:40] If you, yeah.

[00:20:41] If you know what's coming.

[00:20:43] You're.

[00:20:44] Yeah.

[00:20:45] Mm hmm.

[00:20:47] So the, the psychologist that came up with this was a G Arthur Hall, who is basically

[00:20:53] like the, the father of American psychology.

[00:20:56] Like he was the first American to get a doctorate in psychology and at Harvard.

[00:21:02] And there were no jobs.

[00:21:05] Wait, did you say for a tickling?

[00:21:07] No, just for psychology.

[00:21:09] Okay.

[00:21:09] But this, this is one of the things that he worked on.

[00:21:12] Yeah.

[00:21:12] In his research.

[00:21:13] Mm hmm.

[00:21:15] Was, was tickling because it's, it's, and to, to look at like the, the, the people that

[00:21:20] have, um, talked about tickling that, that have, you know, um, Freud and, and Nietzsche

[00:21:30] and.

[00:21:31] Yeah.

[00:21:32] So he was the first one to like.

[00:21:33] Leto and, and well, he was, he was the first one to like really define it.

[00:21:38] Right.

[00:21:39] Um, there were a couple other definitions that I found that were, that were really cool.

[00:21:45] Um, tickling may be defined as an intensely vivid, um, complex of unsteady, ill localized

[00:21:58] and ill analyzed sensation with intention, uh, with a, with attention distributed over the

[00:22:05] immediately, immediate sensory contents and sensations reflexively evoked.

[00:22:14] Wow.

[00:22:15] Right.

[00:22:15] And if that doesn't make sense, that's because tickling is that weird and abstract that trying

[00:22:21] to like describe tickling is so difficult.

[00:22:25] Yeah.

[00:22:25] No, for sure.

[00:22:27] It is like, imagine trying to describe it to somebody who has never, who can't be tickled.

[00:22:34] How would you describe that?

[00:22:36] Like, I wouldn't even know where to start.

[00:22:39] Yeah.

[00:22:41] The alien.

[00:22:43] Yeah.

[00:22:44] Bianca has to describe tickling to the alien.

[00:22:46] Yeah.

[00:22:47] We do have a video of alien friend tickling Bianca, by the way.

[00:22:51] Yeah.

[00:22:52] So I guess, I guess she was able to explain that one.

[00:22:55] Yeah.

[00:22:56] Yeah.

[00:22:56] But some of these, some of these are so just like, what is that?

[00:22:59] Do you just threw words at him?

[00:23:02] Yeah.

[00:23:02] How deep?

[00:23:03] Oh, that's deep.

[00:23:06] Let's see.

[00:23:06] Do you have more history?

[00:23:08] No.

[00:23:08] I mean, I do, but no.

[00:23:10] Okay.

[00:23:12] All right.

[00:23:15] I guess more physiology.

[00:23:19] Let's see.

[00:23:20] So medical and the body stuff with tickling.

[00:23:23] Yes, it is possible to pee yourself from being tickled.

[00:23:26] Mm-hmm.

[00:23:27] I mean, let's be real.

[00:23:29] We've all laughed so hard where it happens a bit.

[00:23:35] Me, especially after having a baby.

[00:23:37] Yeah.

[00:23:37] I heard a lot of tickling stories when I was doing my research because it was sort of like,

[00:23:42] what are you working on?

[00:23:43] Tickling.

[00:23:43] And people would immediately launch into a tickle story.

[00:23:46] Yes.

[00:23:47] Right.

[00:23:47] Everyone has a tickle story.

[00:23:48] They do.

[00:23:49] And it's either really bad.

[00:23:52] Mm-hmm.

[00:23:53] I don't know if I ever heard a good one where they're like, that was so fun.

[00:23:57] Honestly.

[00:23:58] Good point.

[00:23:59] Now that they think of it, they're all like, oh, I hated it as a kid.

[00:24:03] Or like, yeah, I don't think I ever heard a good one where like, oh, I got a good one.

[00:24:07] It was so much fun.

[00:24:09] Like.

[00:24:10] I can't wait to get tickled again.

[00:24:11] Yeah, right?

[00:24:13] I mean, these people exist.

[00:24:15] Sure, sure.

[00:24:15] Obviously, we're doing this episode.

[00:24:17] But I never came across anybody personally.

[00:24:20] Yeah.

[00:24:20] So a friend of mine, like, kind of like, you know, was tortured by her sister.

[00:24:26] Yeah.

[00:24:28] Because her sister knew that she was going to pee.

[00:24:30] Like.

[00:24:31] Oh, God.

[00:24:31] That's so mean.

[00:24:32] And so started tickling her until she just peed her pants.

[00:24:36] Yeah.

[00:24:37] Basically, how that works is like, we're getting tickled.

[00:24:42] All your muscles are like, well, I'm out.

[00:24:44] I can't do this.

[00:24:45] And then the bladder's like, same.

[00:24:47] Oh, my gosh.

[00:24:48] Then it just naturally happens.

[00:24:51] You get the giggle drizzle.

[00:24:53] The giggle drizzle.

[00:24:57] That's the drink we should have had.

[00:24:58] The giggle drizzle.

[00:25:01] Lemonade.

[00:25:02] Yes.

[00:25:02] That's so funny.

[00:25:04] There is lemonade in our drink.

[00:25:05] Well, this one's pink lemonade.

[00:25:06] True.

[00:25:09] So next point.

[00:25:11] It can cause an aneurysm.

[00:25:13] Oh, my gosh.

[00:25:15] Uh-huh.

[00:25:15] And then I have.

[00:25:16] Oh, my gosh.

[00:25:18] Yes.

[00:25:19] A list of the most ticklish spots, starting from the least ticklish to the most ticklish.

[00:25:25] Yes.

[00:25:26] So number seven, the least ticklish.

[00:25:28] The back of your neck and shoulders.

[00:25:31] I kind of have to disagree.

[00:25:35] You're trying to tickle your own neck.

[00:25:37] It's not working.

[00:25:38] It's not working.

[00:25:40] Because when my son, youngest son, whenever he gets a haircut, it's almost impossible.

[00:25:49] We have to warn the hairdresser.

[00:25:51] Like, I'm so sorry.

[00:25:52] This happens every time.

[00:25:54] Just warn you.

[00:25:54] He's very ticklish on his neck.

[00:25:56] Like, he like, it's getting a haircut is so hard for him.

[00:26:01] The clippers used to tickle me.

[00:26:03] Okay.

[00:26:04] Yeah.

[00:26:05] It's like for him, it's even like once the hairdresser just like doesn't even touch his

[00:26:09] neck, just gets close.

[00:26:10] He like crunches up.

[00:26:12] And like, we always had to tip the hairdresser really well.

[00:26:15] I'm like, I'm so sorry.

[00:26:17] Yeah.

[00:26:18] Right.

[00:26:19] All right.

[00:26:20] Come at number six, the stomach.

[00:26:23] Yeah.

[00:26:24] But I feel like that's higher up on the list.

[00:26:27] How is that number six?

[00:26:28] I don't think, I think it's different for everybody.

[00:26:30] So I don't know how this is.

[00:26:32] I don't know.

[00:26:33] You get what I'm saying?

[00:26:34] I think all of them are number one for me.

[00:26:37] I keep going.

[00:26:38] Number five is the knees.

[00:26:40] I think they mean like behind your knees.

[00:26:43] Either one.

[00:26:44] Oh God.

[00:26:45] Either way.

[00:26:46] Number four, the neck.

[00:26:48] Oh, I think they mean like the front of the neck.

[00:26:50] Yeah.

[00:26:51] Ooh.

[00:26:51] I mean, I can almost tickle myself there.

[00:26:53] Ugh.

[00:26:55] Number three, ribs and the sides.

[00:26:58] Oh yeah.

[00:26:59] I, okay.

[00:27:00] So my, one of my tattoos I have on my rib cage and that was a weird, they're like, you have

[00:27:06] to sit still.

[00:27:07] I'm like, I know I'm trying.

[00:27:08] It's a weird, like it hurts, but it tickles.

[00:27:12] Uh huh.

[00:27:13] It looks like a Picasso because you couldn't stop.

[00:27:16] Yeah.

[00:27:17] It's a tattoo of a ring pop.

[00:27:18] So it's like, no, it's, it turned out fine, but they're like the entire time.

[00:27:23] They're like, please stay still.

[00:27:27] Number two, armpits.

[00:27:30] Wow.

[00:27:30] What's above armpits?

[00:27:32] All right.

[00:27:33] Number one, the feet.

[00:27:35] Oh, of course.

[00:27:36] Yeah.

[00:27:36] Hello.

[00:27:37] Duh.

[00:27:37] Yes.

[00:27:38] Duh.

[00:27:39] Uh huh.

[00:27:39] Classic.

[00:27:40] So the next question is.

[00:27:42] The loony tunes.

[00:27:42] Yeah.

[00:27:43] The loony tunes are tickling.

[00:27:44] Yes.

[00:27:46] So that goes to my next question.

[00:27:48] Where is your most ticklish spot?

[00:27:49] But I guess you said everywhere.

[00:27:51] Everywhere.

[00:27:52] Okay.

[00:27:52] And there's some more that weren't on that list.

[00:27:54] Oh God.

[00:27:57] Ear lobes, elbows.

[00:27:59] Oh, I didn't even.

[00:28:00] Oh, the ear.

[00:28:00] Yeah.

[00:28:02] Wrists.

[00:28:03] Uh huh.

[00:28:03] Really?

[00:28:04] Oh my God.

[00:28:05] Like the inside of your wrist.

[00:28:06] Like the inside of the wrist.

[00:28:07] That is a thinner skin.

[00:28:08] Yeah.

[00:28:08] Which you think matters for tickling.

[00:28:10] Yeah.

[00:28:11] Oh my God.

[00:28:12] Thighs.

[00:28:14] Yes.

[00:28:15] Thighs.

[00:28:15] Okay.

[00:28:16] Whenever I'm sitting next to Danny, he'll always like squeeze my thigh and I squirm like

[00:28:20] crazy.

[00:28:20] I'm like, stop it.

[00:28:21] Yeah.

[00:28:22] That is.

[00:28:23] You're right.

[00:28:23] Thighs.

[00:28:24] Yep.

[00:28:26] Let's see.

[00:28:26] Why can't you tickle yourself?

[00:28:28] We already went over that.

[00:28:30] Um.

[00:28:32] Oh.

[00:28:33] Oh, but there are people that can tickle themselves.

[00:28:36] What?

[00:28:37] Schizophrenics can tickle themselves because they don't have that part of the brain that

[00:28:40] works like that.

[00:28:41] No way.

[00:28:42] Yes, they can.

[00:28:44] Are you kidding me?

[00:28:45] It's so cool.

[00:28:47] I mean, it would suck to have schizophrenia, but then I would be tickling myself like crazy

[00:28:50] just because I'm sure that they don't because I'm sure that it's just not on the

[00:28:55] radar.

[00:28:55] Like, well, if I got it, at least I'll do this.

[00:28:58] Right?

[00:28:59] No, I saw this, um, on TikTok.

[00:29:02] It was like, uh, a, somebody set up a, edited a video, a point of view video of what it,

[00:29:13] what everything looks like in the world.

[00:29:16] If you have.

[00:29:16] Oh, yeah.

[00:29:17] And it was like very scary.

[00:29:20] Oh, I can imagine.

[00:29:21] There's like faces all over everything and you had audio too.

[00:29:24] So you can hear like what they hear.

[00:29:26] Oh my God.

[00:29:27] It was very creepy and that's so sad.

[00:29:29] And I can't imagine the tickling thing too.

[00:29:32] Well, then I would be tickling myself just to, you know, brighten my day.

[00:29:35] Right?

[00:29:36] No kidding.

[00:29:37] Oh my goodness.

[00:29:39] It was tickling me.

[00:29:41] Yeah.

[00:29:41] Right?

[00:29:42] Let's have some fun.

[00:29:43] Oh, it's me.

[00:29:44] Oh.

[00:29:47] Oh, let's see.

[00:29:48] Oh, fun, fun fact.

[00:29:51] I forgot about.

[00:29:55] So historically they kind of think our bodies get, have become ticklish because it's like

[00:30:03] a, a, um, defense mechanism.

[00:30:06] Yes.

[00:30:07] I read that too.

[00:30:08] Yeah.

[00:30:09] Cause like in case something is to create awareness of something is like a bug or sorry, Lisa,

[00:30:14] a spider is crawling or moving on your skin.

[00:30:19] And you can feel that all those yuckies, you call those yuckies at your house.

[00:30:22] Yeah.

[00:30:22] Lisa hates spiders.

[00:30:24] Sorry.

[00:30:24] Yuckies.

[00:30:26] It's probably listening to this, like taking off her headphones, throwing them across the

[00:30:30] room.

[00:30:32] Sorry, Lisa.

[00:30:33] Sorry.

[00:30:33] Um, so, but yeah, to have the feeling of a bug or something crawling on you.

[00:30:38] So your, your body is aware of it so you can brush it off before it hurts you or bites

[00:30:43] you.

[00:30:44] And so like those sensitive parts are your most vulnerable parts.

[00:30:47] Oh yeah.

[00:30:48] Yeah.

[00:30:48] And I heard today that yuckies really go after like your thinner, thinner skinned areas.

[00:30:55] I didn't need to hear that.

[00:30:57] Because, because it's easiest to get to your veins cause they want the blood.

[00:31:03] Yeah.

[00:31:04] So like the insides of your arms, your wrists, like, yeah.

[00:31:09] I use his liver with fava beans and a nice Chianti.

[00:31:15] I am so sorry, Lisa.

[00:31:17] We'll move on from the keys.

[00:31:19] Um, uh, psychology?

[00:31:23] Yes.

[00:31:24] Did we both do psychology?

[00:31:25] I mean, we've been kind of like, it's, it's so intertwined with psychology.

[00:31:29] Right.

[00:31:29] There's, it's.

[00:31:30] So we both have notes about it.

[00:31:32] Yeah.

[00:31:33] Do you want to go first?

[00:31:34] With your first note, we'll just go back and forth?

[00:31:35] Yeah.

[00:31:36] All right.

[00:31:37] You want me to go first?

[00:31:39] Yeah, you go first.

[00:31:40] Okay.

[00:31:40] So my first note, um, so a lot of people I saw said it started like most kinks in their

[00:31:50] childhood.

[00:31:51] This person was like watching TV and watching cartoon characters get tickled and it just

[00:31:56] fascinated him ever since.

[00:31:58] And the older he got, he just mixed it with his sexual becoming and puberty and it just

[00:32:04] grew into this whole thing.

[00:32:08] Yeah.

[00:32:11] Um, I read that a lot of it was, um, discovery through other kinks as well.

[00:32:19] Okay.

[00:32:19] Like bondage was one of those.

[00:32:21] Yeah.

[00:32:22] There's a lot of crossovers.

[00:32:23] Definitely.

[00:32:24] What was that?

[00:32:24] What was that crossover term again?

[00:32:26] With the armpits?

[00:32:29] The, yeah.

[00:32:30] Uh, armpits and tickling.

[00:32:32] Doheny?

[00:32:33] Doheny.

[00:32:34] Yes.

[00:32:34] That's the one.

[00:32:35] Yeah.

[00:32:35] Sounds like Houdini.

[00:32:37] I know it does.

[00:32:40] See, tickling falls under the pain pleasure umbrella.

[00:32:45] Yes.

[00:32:46] Yeah.

[00:32:47] Which some people obviously like having both at the same time.

[00:32:51] So, sure.

[00:32:53] Um, gosh, where is this quote?

[00:32:57] It, yes.

[00:32:58] Um, so there is this, uh, psychologist.

[00:33:04] Uh, Lacan.

[00:33:07] Um, so he, he coins this term, jouissance, um, which is, um, like physical or intellectual

[00:33:22] pleasure.

[00:33:23] Okay.

[00:33:23] Um, and this is, this is like in the, this is the 20th century.

[00:33:28] Um, and he, he basically says, um, there, there's this quote and, and the little backstory

[00:33:39] is, uh, there's this Greek myth, uh, King Denesis has, um, this, it's a punishment for

[00:33:50] these, his daughters.

[00:33:51] They, they killed her husband and they have to fill this jar that's cracked.

[00:33:56] You'll never fill this jar, but they have to fill this jar that's cracked for eternity.

[00:34:00] Okay.

[00:34:01] And, uh, Lacan says, oh God, the, there's so many names and terms for all this.

[00:34:08] Yeah.

[00:34:08] It's hard.

[00:34:09] We say, uh, is the jar of, uh, Danitis.

[00:34:14] Okay.

[00:34:16] And once you've, once you have started, you know, never where it will end.

[00:34:21] Oh.

[00:34:22] Yeah.

[00:34:22] It's like a warning.

[00:34:24] You were coming to a lot of deep quotes with this one.

[00:34:27] I like it.

[00:34:28] I butchered it like crazy.

[00:34:29] No, that's all right.

[00:34:30] There's so many words I've doing this podcast and I've just like, well, tried my best.

[00:34:36] Yeah.

[00:34:36] But he was, yeah, he was very much equating it to like pleasure and pain.

[00:34:40] Like it will cross over.

[00:34:42] Oh, for sure.

[00:34:43] Sure.

[00:34:45] Um, let's see.

[00:34:47] Our cocktail is done.

[00:34:49] Uh oh.

[00:34:50] There's some ASMR.

[00:34:52] Love it.

[00:34:54] Um, you can grab more if you want or wine or whatever.

[00:34:58] I've got my water.

[00:34:59] Okay.

[00:35:01] Let's see.

[00:35:03] Um, where's my next note?

[00:35:06] Good to do.

[00:35:07] Oh, also foot fetish was another.

[00:35:10] Oh, for sure.

[00:35:11] Huge one.

[00:35:12] Yeah.

[00:35:12] Yes, definitely.

[00:35:16] So I read someone described it as they enjoy the challenge both as a sub and a dom.

[00:35:24] They enjoy it as a test of themselves, how much they can handle as a sub in this type

[00:35:29] of play and how much they can challenge others playing the dom in the role for this.

[00:35:34] Like, I don't I'd be like, nope, I give up as a sub.

[00:35:39] I'd be like, nope, I give up.

[00:35:39] Mm-hmm.

[00:35:40] And if I was a dom of this, I'd be like, I'm so sorry.

[00:35:44] Yeah.

[00:35:45] I could not.

[00:35:46] No.

[00:35:48] Because, I mean, some of the stuff that I watched was hard to watch.

[00:35:52] Yes.

[00:35:52] Doing research for this was very hard.

[00:35:54] Uh-huh.

[00:35:55] It was like cringy, like.

[00:35:56] Very cringy.

[00:35:57] And like, I had to turn it off, you know, take a break a couple times.

[00:36:01] Yeah.

[00:36:01] Right.

[00:36:02] Maybe that's why it took us so long to do research for this one.

[00:36:04] Yeah.

[00:36:04] Because we're like, I can only handle so much each day.

[00:36:08] Yeah.

[00:36:08] And coming from that, it's like a all over an endorphin floodgate.

[00:36:13] That's for sure.

[00:36:14] There was, I mean, the range of emotions was huge.

[00:36:18] Yeah.

[00:36:19] And that has to be something that's attractive about it.

[00:36:22] I guess if you're into that, some people, sensory overload.

[00:36:27] Sensory overload, absolutely.

[00:36:29] Yes, too much.

[00:36:30] Yeah.

[00:36:31] I'm the type of person who gets tickled like too much.

[00:36:33] I'm like, it's your own fault if I accidentally punch you in the face.

[00:36:38] You're only hurting yourself here.

[00:36:40] I cannot help my reflexes.

[00:36:42] I'm sorry.

[00:36:42] It's your own fault.

[00:36:44] Yeah.

[00:36:44] Lisa's very much the same way.

[00:36:46] Yeah.

[00:36:46] She's been sort of given that.

[00:36:47] She's given me that warning.

[00:36:49] Yeah.

[00:36:49] And I take heed.

[00:36:59] Tickle trauma.

[00:37:00] We did go over this a bit.

[00:37:02] Yeah.

[00:37:03] Uh-huh.

[00:37:04] When you have a bad tickling experience as an adult or child from being tickled.

[00:37:10] So it actually is a real thing you can be like diagnosed with.

[00:37:14] Yes.

[00:37:15] Um, like as an adult, I guess a kid too, where, you know, the people where you get, they get

[00:37:22] super pissed off and angry if you try to tickle them.

[00:37:25] Mm-hmm.

[00:37:25] Where they like scream at you and they actually get like actually upset and angry, like mad.

[00:37:31] And this emotion of anger will last for a long time.

[00:37:36] Like tickle trauma is a real thing.

[00:37:43] Mm-hmm.

[00:37:46] Yeah.

[00:37:46] Tickle torture used as a method of actual torture.

[00:37:51] Ugh.

[00:37:51] Hate that.

[00:37:52] Yeah.

[00:37:52] So, yeah.

[00:37:53] Those people definitely have tickle trauma.

[00:37:55] Yeah.

[00:37:56] I mean, I'm sure that there's all kinds of trauma wrapped up in that.

[00:38:00] Oh, for sure.

[00:38:01] More than, more levels than just tickling.

[00:38:04] Yeah.

[00:38:05] Well, if you have tickle trauma, there's tickle therapy.

[00:38:08] Ooh, that's good.

[00:38:09] Yeah.

[00:38:09] Some people who do this kind of therapy work say that your most ticklish spots are ticklish

[00:38:14] because the body tissue in that area is holding onto trauma.

[00:38:20] So, in this sort of therapy, they tickle you in those spots until you basically aren't ticklish

[00:38:24] anymore.

[00:38:25] Okay.

[00:38:25] So, maybe this is not for tickle trauma.

[00:38:28] This is for a different type of therapy.

[00:38:31] Tickle therapy.

[00:38:31] It's tickling you to get rid of trauma.

[00:38:34] It's the opposite, I guess.

[00:38:35] Gotcha.

[00:38:36] Read that wrong.

[00:38:37] But, yeah.

[00:38:37] So, they tickle you in those spots where they think you're holding all your trauma until

[00:38:43] you aren't ticklish anymore and, therefore, you think that hidden trauma will then disappear.

[00:38:50] I don't know.

[00:38:51] That sounds torturous to me.

[00:38:53] I think I just have tickle trauma after that.

[00:38:56] Right.

[00:38:57] Yeah.

[00:38:58] Oh, time to go to tickle therapy today.

[00:39:00] Like, who signs up for this now?

[00:39:03] I know who.

[00:39:04] We know who.

[00:39:05] Yeah.

[00:39:09] Do you have any more psychology notes?

[00:39:11] Um, I, I do, but they're downers.

[00:39:17] So, let's skip.

[00:39:17] No, no.

[00:39:18] Okay.

[00:39:19] All right.

[00:39:20] Let's see.

[00:39:21] This is a very, like, happy-sad episode.

[00:39:23] It's a happy-sad episode.

[00:39:24] It's tickling.

[00:39:25] It's like, yeah.

[00:39:25] I'm trying to save, like, the sad for the stuff that we can silver lining it with.

[00:39:31] Okay.

[00:39:32] Gotcha.

[00:39:32] Yes.

[00:39:33] I like that.

[00:39:34] All right.

[00:39:35] Should we move on to common practices then?

[00:39:38] Yeah.

[00:39:38] I think I did common practices, right?

[00:39:42] Yes.

[00:39:43] Okay.

[00:39:44] We'll get another drink here.

[00:39:47] Do, do, do, do.

[00:39:48] We need, like, a little song, like, little music, five-second break when I make a drink.

[00:39:55] I'll figure it out.

[00:39:57] Yeah.

[00:39:58] Elevator music or something.

[00:40:01] If you've got an idea for a bumper song, let us know.

[00:40:06] All right.

[00:40:06] So, common practices.

[00:40:09] So, you tickle someone or get tickled.

[00:40:12] That's it.

[00:40:12] I'm done.

[00:40:15] That seems commonplace to me.

[00:40:17] That's about as common as you get.

[00:40:18] That's it.

[00:40:20] So, like we said, this was hard to do research for.

[00:40:25] Watching the videos for science gave me the goosebumps and just cringed.

[00:40:31] Cringe.

[00:40:32] Yeah.

[00:40:32] But I did it for you guys.

[00:40:36] So, there is a reason.

[00:40:38] Oh, I got a list of tools used for tickling.

[00:40:42] It's a long list.

[00:40:43] I've been loving to do these lists lately.

[00:40:46] All right.

[00:40:46] You ready?

[00:40:50] Fingers, feathers, electric toothbrush, hairbrush, makeup brush, paintbrush, back scratcher, massage

[00:40:54] roller, cotton swabs or Q-tips, towel corners, soft fabric strips.

[00:40:59] Nope.

[00:40:59] Stop, stop, stop.

[00:41:00] I can't keep up.

[00:41:01] You're right.

[00:41:01] You're making notes.

[00:41:03] Fairy gloves, balloons, pom-poms, bubble wand, eyelash curler, tinsel, ribbon, rubber bands,

[00:41:09] silk scarves, feather dusters, Velcro scraps, the soft side, unless you're into the rough

[00:41:12] side.

[00:41:13] Fly swallows, soft toys, plant leaves, foam rollers.

[00:41:17] There's using a fan, water spray, a fan, that would hurt.

[00:41:20] I hurt.

[00:41:21] Water spray, mist setting, or maybe a hard setting if you're into that.

[00:41:25] Beaded necklace, duster mitt, plastic comb, marble sponge, cloth glove, crinkle paper,

[00:41:29] and just your goddamn hands.

[00:41:35] Okay.

[00:41:36] I'm taking a drink to that.

[00:41:37] Cheers.

[00:41:38] And drink.

[00:41:39] Cheers.

[00:41:46] I had to think about it a minute.

[00:41:47] Like, how does that?

[00:41:48] Oh.

[00:41:49] The fans?

[00:41:50] I bet that's blowing.

[00:41:52] Wait.

[00:41:53] Okay.

[00:41:53] In my mind, when I first read that, I was thinking an electrical fan, but now I'm thinking

[00:41:57] probably a hand fan.

[00:41:58] That too.

[00:41:59] Probably both.

[00:42:00] Either one.

[00:42:03] Oh, man.

[00:42:04] We have this long list.

[00:42:06] All right.

[00:42:07] Let's see.

[00:42:09] I have a list of phrases.

[00:42:12] Oh, you do?

[00:42:13] What do you mean?

[00:42:15] Phrases that use the word tickle.

[00:42:18] Okay.

[00:42:18] Let's do it.

[00:42:19] Yeah.

[00:42:20] Go ahead.

[00:42:21] Tickle someone's pickle.

[00:42:23] Yes.

[00:42:24] To stimulate someone's penis sexually.

[00:42:27] Yep.

[00:42:29] Tickle someone's fancy.

[00:42:31] Yes.

[00:42:31] Okay.

[00:42:32] To amuse or entertain.

[00:42:36] Tickle the dragon's tail.

[00:42:38] I hadn't heard that one.

[00:42:39] I've never heard that one.

[00:42:40] What does it mean?

[00:42:40] That one's to annoy someone who's irritable.

[00:42:43] Oh.

[00:42:44] Now it makes sense.

[00:42:45] Someone who has tickle trauma.

[00:42:47] I wouldn't.

[00:42:47] Yeah.

[00:42:48] Okay.

[00:42:48] Well, I'm not going to tickle their dragon tail.

[00:42:51] Right.

[00:42:52] Tickle the twine.

[00:42:53] I don't think I've heard that one either.

[00:42:55] It must be Canadian because it means to score a goal in ice hockey.

[00:42:59] Okay.

[00:43:01] Hey, you going to tickle the twine there?

[00:43:02] Yes.

[00:43:03] Love it.

[00:43:04] Oh, sorry.

[00:43:10] Slap and tickle is mild, playful kissing, cuddling, and other amorous play.

[00:43:17] Okay.

[00:43:17] I know what you're talking about.

[00:43:18] I didn't know there was a term for it.

[00:43:20] I didn't either.

[00:43:21] Okay.

[00:43:24] Tickle someone's funny bone.

[00:43:25] Oh, yeah.

[00:43:26] We all know that one.

[00:43:27] Yep.

[00:43:27] Have you ever hit your funny bone?

[00:43:29] Yeah.

[00:43:30] It is not funny.

[00:43:31] It is not funny.

[00:43:32] Do not find that humorous.

[00:43:36] But, um, and, uh, having a tickle in your throat.

[00:43:41] Yes.

[00:43:42] All right.

[00:43:43] Definitely.

[00:43:43] That's a good list.

[00:43:44] I like that.

[00:43:45] Yeah.

[00:43:46] Not as good as yours.

[00:43:48] No.

[00:43:48] No bubble wand in mine.

[00:43:50] No bubble wand.

[00:43:51] Do you think they're like blowing bubbles onto the person?

[00:43:53] I can, I can imagine blowing bubbles or just like using the wand across.

[00:44:00] Or both.

[00:44:00] Yeah.

[00:44:01] Because bubbles can be ticklish, I guess.

[00:44:03] Yeah.

[00:44:04] Totally.

[00:44:05] If there's a lot of them.

[00:44:06] Oh, yeah.

[00:44:07] Right?

[00:44:07] Or maybe just one big bubble.

[00:44:11] Um, so, let's see.

[00:44:14] Did you go over the different levels of tickling?

[00:44:16] The different kinds?

[00:44:18] Like light tickling?

[00:44:19] No.

[00:44:20] I just went over the two different types.

[00:44:22] So let's talk about the levels of tickling.

[00:44:24] Well, I think I only have two types too.

[00:44:28] The nimesis and the gargalesis.

[00:44:30] Oh, yeah.

[00:44:31] Okay.

[00:44:32] So we dig over that.

[00:44:32] Yes.

[00:44:33] Uh-huh.

[00:44:34] Okay.

[00:44:34] Um, but I mean, everybody's different.

[00:44:37] There's definitely a spectrum of, you know, scale of one to ten of what's your, you know.

[00:44:44] Well, that was sort of like one of the things I saw in the psychology is like it's, um, there's that playful tickle.

[00:44:53] Right.

[00:44:54] That's sort of like, I'm gonna get you.

[00:44:56] Right.

[00:44:57] Right?

[00:44:58] Uh, and then there's like, I've got you.

[00:45:01] Yeah.

[00:45:01] And I'm gonna tickle you until I'm done tickling you.

[00:45:03] When you're like pinned down and like, yeah.

[00:45:06] Yeah.

[00:45:07] And that's.

[00:45:07] I hate those.

[00:45:09] Yeah.

[00:45:09] That's tickle torture.

[00:45:10] Yes.

[00:45:10] Right.

[00:45:11] Yeah, you don't necessarily have to be in like some sort of torture device to be a tickle tortured.

[00:45:16] Absolutely.

[00:45:17] Somebody can just pin you down.

[00:45:18] Yeah.

[00:45:19] Which is what I saw a lot of that.

[00:45:21] Yeah.

[00:45:22] Just wrestling.

[00:45:24] Right.

[00:45:24] Leading to tickling.

[00:45:25] For sure.

[00:45:28] Um, yeah, there is, um, CNC tickling, which is consensual non-consent tickling.

[00:45:35] Mm-hmm.

[00:45:35] That's basically what tickle torture is.

[00:45:37] Yeah.

[00:45:38] You're like, go ahead.

[00:45:39] Give it your all.

[00:45:41] And whatever I say, don't stop.

[00:45:42] Yeah.

[00:45:44] Uh-huh.

[00:45:45] Um.

[00:45:46] And that's like, uh, either with or without bondage.

[00:45:53] Right.

[00:45:54] For sure.

[00:45:55] Um.

[00:45:57] So it can be used along with like in the same play as other sensory play, like hot wax, spanking.

[00:46:06] And then they go back and forth from like that pain to tickle.

[00:46:09] So it's like you feel that pain from spanking or hot wax and then you get tickled.

[00:46:14] You kind of lighten the mood a bit and then you go back to the pain.

[00:46:17] Just go back and forth.

[00:46:18] That was the thing I saw too.

[00:46:20] Yeah.

[00:46:20] So it's like being peppered in.

[00:46:23] Right.

[00:46:24] That's where I saw like a lot of like the, the cross fetishes.

[00:46:28] Like it was.

[00:46:29] All right.

[00:46:29] We're moving on.

[00:46:30] Let's, let's switch it up.

[00:46:32] Yeah.

[00:46:33] Like, oh, you're in too much pain from, from all this spanking.

[00:46:36] Let me lighten up.

[00:46:36] I'll give you a feather tickle a little bit.

[00:46:38] Let's lighten the mood.

[00:46:39] Until you're asking for the spanking again.

[00:46:42] Back and forth.

[00:46:46] Um, so another common practice, we talked about all the devices you can be locked into for tickle torture or not.

[00:46:53] But one of them I saw that was common was, um, having your hands tied above your head from the ceiling.

[00:47:01] No, thanks.

[00:47:03] And it goes off your armpits.

[00:47:04] That's fully exposed and just, no, no.

[00:47:10] And it's a lot of, uh, shibari, like role play too.

[00:47:13] For tickling.

[00:47:14] Yep.

[00:47:14] There's a lot of, and stocks.

[00:47:16] I saw stocks.

[00:47:17] Yes.

[00:47:17] Yep.

[00:47:18] Oh yeah.

[00:47:19] There's a thing called a tickle foot.

[00:47:22] A tickle foot?

[00:47:23] Yes.

[00:47:24] So if anyone wants to see what I'm talking about and just Google it, just Google tickle foot.

[00:47:30] And it's a company that created this wearable foot insole that has three one inch motorized spinning discs with tiny brushes on each disc.

[00:47:39] Placed on the most ticklish three spots on the bottom of your foot.

[00:47:42] And you use a remote to activate them.

[00:47:45] So you put it in your shoe or somebody else's shoe and you, you, you are controlling it with the remote of how ticklish it gets.

[00:47:53] And yeah.

[00:47:56] Wow.

[00:47:57] Okay.

[00:47:58] Uh huh.

[00:48:00] Yeah.

[00:48:00] I thought that was crazy.

[00:48:03] Um, safety.

[00:48:06] I think pretty much only safety is safe word for this one.

[00:48:12] Well, but I did come across like, what if you can't say the safe word?

[00:48:16] Cause you're laughing too hard.

[00:48:17] So be careful.

[00:48:20] So in my experience as a kid, the safe word was always, I'm serious.

[00:48:26] Okay.

[00:48:26] That makes, I was going to say, wait.

[00:48:28] Okay.

[00:48:29] Yeah.

[00:48:29] Stop.

[00:48:30] I'm serious.

[00:48:31] Like, Oh, he's serious.

[00:48:32] He's serious.

[00:48:37] That is like the go-to like, okay.

[00:48:39] They mean stop.

[00:48:40] Yeah.

[00:48:42] Oh God.

[00:48:45] Um, should we go on to medium pop culture?

[00:48:48] Yeah.

[00:48:49] There's a lot out there.

[00:48:50] This is, I think my favorite part of all this research.

[00:48:53] It was interesting.

[00:48:54] It was fun.

[00:48:56] Um, we both watched the same documentary.

[00:48:59] Yes.

[00:49:00] Let's kick it off with that.

[00:49:03] Yes.

[00:49:03] It's called the tickled documentary.

[00:49:05] I think it was on YouTube or to be, it was on, um, to be,

[00:49:11] yes, yes, it was.

[00:49:13] And, uh, gosh, it, no, no, the, the other one that we saw was on to be,

[00:49:20] this one I think was on Amazon.

[00:49:23] Oh, was it?

[00:49:24] Okay.

[00:49:24] Or at least I saw it on Amazon.

[00:49:26] There's a couple of different places.

[00:49:28] Okay.

[00:49:28] But, um,

[00:49:30] so should we describe what it's about?

[00:49:32] Yes, please.

[00:49:33] All right.

[00:49:33] So it's about this guy named David D'Amato and he owns a bunch of,

[00:49:40] tickle fetish websites, but he says it's not tickle fetish.

[00:49:44] He says it's C E T, which stands for competitive endurance tickling.

[00:49:51] And so what he would do is he would contact typically younger men,

[00:49:57] typically athletes from the athletes.

[00:49:59] Yeah.

[00:50:00] From all over the United States.

[00:50:01] And he'd offer them a free flight to LA four nights at a nice hotel and $15,

[00:50:07] $1,500 cash to participate in a tickling video for his website.

[00:50:13] Yeah.

[00:50:14] But, oh my God.

[00:50:15] That was, that was the, that was the, the high end of the spectrum.

[00:50:19] There was a lot of it where it was, um, audition.

[00:50:23] Yeah.

[00:50:24] But you go into watching this documentary and thinking you're going to learn about

[00:50:29] tickling.

[00:50:30] Nope.

[00:50:31] This was a wild ride of,

[00:50:33] Oh my gosh.

[00:50:35] So basically it was like, okay, what was it?

[00:50:38] Um,

[00:50:40] a journalist emailed them wanting to do a piece on them,

[00:50:46] a story.

[00:50:47] David Ferrier.

[00:50:48] Yes.

[00:50:49] And they took huge offense to it and like wrote him back at like an angry letter

[00:50:55] and, um,

[00:50:57] Completely shut him down.

[00:50:58] Yeah.

[00:51:00] It was, it was just such, it was like, okay, I compare it to,

[00:51:04] it was like watching the tiger King, but in the tickling world,

[00:51:08] it was like every 15 minutes you're like, wait, what just happened?

[00:51:12] Yeah.

[00:51:12] And then what?

[00:51:13] That basically that email was like, Oh,

[00:51:16] you don't want me to find out about this.

[00:51:18] Well, now I have to find out about.

[00:51:20] Yeah.

[00:51:21] Yep.

[00:51:21] For sure.

[00:51:23] But it was just so,

[00:51:24] we don't want to spoil it too much,

[00:51:25] but it was just so wild of a ride where there were so many turns that you

[00:51:29] would not expect.

[00:51:30] And you're like, what am I even watching anymore?

[00:51:32] This is what?

[00:51:33] Yeah.

[00:51:33] There were points when I was like,

[00:51:35] I forgot it was about tickling.

[00:51:37] And then like there,

[00:51:38] then they remind you.

[00:51:39] Yeah.

[00:51:40] It's about tickling.

[00:51:41] There's apparently a lot of drama on the tickling fetish world.

[00:51:44] Mm hmm.

[00:51:45] Wow.

[00:51:48] And,

[00:51:48] um,

[00:51:50] a lot of,

[00:51:51] um,

[00:51:52] mysterious people that,

[00:51:55] that their identity is really unknown.

[00:51:59] Yes.

[00:52:00] Yes.

[00:52:01] I know what you're talking about where,

[00:52:03] Oh my God.

[00:52:04] We can't even say it without spoiling.

[00:52:05] No spoilers.

[00:52:06] No,

[00:52:07] but everybody should watch it.

[00:52:08] It's a wild ride.

[00:52:09] If you like the tiger King,

[00:52:11] watch this.

[00:52:13] It was investigative reporting.

[00:52:15] It was really great.

[00:52:17] So good.

[00:52:18] And then there's a followup to after,

[00:52:20] which I didn't get a chance to watch.

[00:52:22] Did you check it out?

[00:52:23] I did.

[00:52:23] Okay,

[00:52:24] cool.

[00:52:24] I watched it last night.

[00:52:25] Um,

[00:52:25] the followup is,

[00:52:26] is on YouTube.

[00:52:27] It's 20 minutes called the tickle King.

[00:52:29] Okay.

[00:52:30] And so they recorded,

[00:52:34] and so they recorded,

[00:52:34] the journalists did the whole documentary for the Sundance film festival,

[00:52:37] um,

[00:52:38] about his experience with trying to get information about this tickle guy,

[00:52:43] David D'Amato and the websites and his whole journey through it and how it was this crazy journey of lawsuits and blackmailing and all this wild.

[00:52:52] It was a wild ride.

[00:52:53] Stalking.

[00:52:54] Yes.

[00:52:54] And so he did a followup.

[00:52:56] Um,

[00:52:57] and the followup was 20 minutes long of him actually showing his documentary that he created about this at the festival,

[00:53:07] the film festival and David D'Amato himself shows up to watch the screening.

[00:53:14] Oh my God.

[00:53:15] What?

[00:53:15] And,

[00:53:16] and he is like trying to,

[00:53:19] so he has like this coffee cup with him and it's like a paper Starbucks cup or whatever.